Is there anything like a Vb 2?

[pulse.]

Hi there and happy new year to everyone.
Is there anything like a Vb 2? Never played one
always wanted one though.

Is the diamond vibrato any close?

[chart #3]

Pitch vibrato is what you're looking for.
I used to have a list of them, but I stopped doing it because it's often a pain in the ass to debug the product descriptions, where manufacturers often confuse "vibes" — especially their "vibrato" mode — with true pitch vibratos (although I reckon they sometimes come pretty close, so you might want to investigate them as well).

Here's a few from the top of my head, though:
• BYOC Vibrato
• Behringer UV300
• GKS Mind Bender
• Diamond Vibrato
• Malekko Vibrato
• BBE Mind Bender (chorus + vibrato)
• Retro-Sonic Chorus (chorus + vibrato)
• Empress Red Witch Chorus (chorus + vibrato)
• Carl Martin Classic Chorus (chorus + vibrato)
• EHX Worm (+ trem, phase, auto-wah; the vibrato on this might be a little more "vibey" so I'm not quite sure about that one)
• EHX Clone Theory XO (chorus + vibrato, has a shitload of hiss and lo-fi-ness. Don't know much about the original but I'd like to check it out someday)
• I've heard the Boss CE-3 (chorus) can produce a pitch vibrato on one of the "stereo" modes used in mono. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCH9glg8Tpo (4'25''-5'44''). I guess tweaking any chorus to remove entirely the dry signal would have you end up with an actual pitch vibrato...

Hope that helps

BTW the VB-2's switch could be used as a momentary switch (which is how I like to use vibrato, actually). In the above list, only the BYOC and Behringer have that, I believe.

[SonicVI]

The Behringer sounds 99% like the VB-2. I've tried them side by side. The BYOC is also pretty much spot on, but was noisier than my VB-2.

[chart #3]

The Behringer is pretty nice I reckon. This is the one I use ATM. It seemed to me the bypass kind of sucks (which I knew would be the case), and the construction is very cheap (the footswitch on mine already had issues after like 1 or 2 months of not using it much at all; using it as a permanent switch requires setting the toggle switch to "latch", "bypass" position simply doesn't work anymore, and to use the footswitch as temporary, it has to be set to "unlatch" position. I have no idea when and how that occured). Other than that it's just a no-brainer for the price. Probably I'll replace it with a DIY copy of the VB-2 with a temporary footswitch (and probably no "rise" knob) someday, but TBH I'm not quite sure yet that I really need a vibrato in my chain.

[drolling]

Originally Posted by chart #3

Here's a few from the top of my head, though:
• BYOC Vibrato
• Behringer UV300
• GKS Mind Bender
• Diamond Vibrato
• Malekko Vibrato
• BBE Mind Bender (chorus + vibrato)
• Retro-Sonic Chorus (chorus + vibrato)
• Empress Red Witch Chorus (chorus + vibrato)
• Carl Martin Classic Chorus (chorus + vibrato)
• EHX Worm (+ trem, phase, auto-wah; the vibrato on this might be a little more "vibey" so I'm not quite sure about that one)
• EHX Clone Theory XO (chorus + vibrato, has a shitload of hiss and lo-fi-ness. Don't know much about the original but I'd like to check it out someday)
• I've heard the Boss CE-3 (chorus) can produce a pitch vibrato on one of the "stereo" modes used in mono. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCH9glg8Tpo (4'25''-5'44''). I guess tweaking any chorus to remove entirely the dry signal would have you end up with an actual pitch vibrato...

Hope that helps

BTW the VB-2's switch could be used as a momentary switch (which is how I like to use vibrato, actually). In the above list, only the BYOC and Behringer have that, I believe.

Wow! Not much of a chorus/phasere/flanger type player, but I really loved my old Magnatone amp and was waiting for someone to put that sound in a little box.

But I had no idea there were so many to choose from!

And I can actually add a couple to your list!

There's the one I'm using; Big Foot FX Magna Vibe (mine's the new 'junior' version in an MXR-sized enclosure) and another I've heard of called Austone Vibrostomp, IIRC.. I'm sure I also read something somewhere about a pedal called a "Vibutron"?

Someone's probably working on another new design right now!!

[chart #3]

Do pitch vibrato pedals really nail the Magnatone thing?

As for the Vibutron, by Frantone, I think it was actually a trem

[drolling]

Originally Posted by chart #3

Do pitch vibrato pedals really nail the Magnatone thing?

As for the Vibutron, by Frantone, I think it was actually a trem

Ahh yeah.. And in the resulting confusion, we can thank Leo Fender with his "tremolo" pitch-bending systems, and volume modulation circuitry he called 'Vibrato'. Brilliant super-genius, an all that, but please, jeez..

As far as the Maggie sound from a pedal goes, puts me in mind of the 'modeled' reverb they've got in stompbox form now, and I don't know if it's possible to nail such an organic, spatial effect 100%.

I'm pretty picky about plain old standard amp trem, for that matter, and have yet to try a pedal that's convinced me to retire the old Blackfaces.

The problem, imo, with dedicated vibrato pedals, is the effect's too pronounced (seasickness) or too subtle (as in; cain't hear the blasted thing atall!) compared to the 3-D *feel* of a cranked Maggie.

But I'm getting by nicely with the MagnaVibe Jr. It's a lot more subtle & nuanced than the old VB-2, and that's a good thing, AFAIC..

[SonicVI]

Originally Posted by chart #3

using it as a permanent switch requires setting the toggle switch to "latch", "bypass" position simply doesn't work anymore, and to use the footswitch as temporary, it has to be set to "unlatch" position. I have no idea when and how that occured).

that's how it's supposed to work. The 'bypass' position does absolutely nothing. I've never understood what the point of it is.

[enocaster]

There is also the EHX Wiggler and Marshall Vibra-Trem

[seiko]

Originally Posted by SonicVI

The Behringer sounds 99% like the VB-2. I've tried them side by side.

Me too, the Behringer is dead on. That said the Diamond might be *better* than the plain ol VB2

[longgonedaddy]

for you guys looking for the Magnatone sound, you have to try the Bigfoot fx Magnavibe. Wonderful pedal.

[chart #3]

Originally Posted by enocaster

There is also the EHX Wiggler and Marshall Vibra-Trem

Those are not true pitch vibratos. The Vibra-Trem's vibrato mode is more like the VibraVox channel on some older Vox amps (like the recent Vox VibraVox pedal). The Wiggler has different kind of rotary-speaker sounds (which can get pretty close indeed), and a VibraVox-like mode as well ("Acey" mode).
I think the Carl Martin Trem o' Vibe fits in that category as well.

Like I said it's pretty hard to see which ones are real, pitch vibratos because the word "vibrato" has a lot of different uses... The fact that one builder says his pedal does "vibrato" doesn't warrant anything... It's a mess

Originally Posted by SonicVI

that's how it's supposed to work. The 'bypass' position does absolutely nothing. I've never understood what the point of it is.

Oh well, explains it all then, thanks I hadn't really paid attention the first times I played it, so when I did, it sounded strange to me. Okay mine is working fine then. But indeed, this "bypass" position is completely useless

[sparky_8]

I think this get's really close.

[sparky_8]

Originally Posted by zorzi

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[zorzi]

I have the VB-2 Diamond and BYOC and all do the 'true' pitch vibrato beautifully. Lovely smooth sine wave.
Any others I've tried have more of a sawtooth choppy wave
The Malekko is cool sounding but to my ears doesn't have the requisite sine wave pitch change.
My Austone vibro-Stomp does Fender plus Magnatone trem beautifully but agin it's a different animal than the VB-2 Diamond and BYOC.
You can get the pitch change only by putting a dummy 1/4 inch plug in the second output of a CE-3 and probably some other stereo choruses it doesn't have the smooth sine wave/

Oh and the middle setting on the TC SCF is pretty nice too.