Shanahan is the new coach of the Redskins!

[bkd_guitarist]

Shanahan is clearly an improvement over what you guys had this year, but that only goes so far. As Harry Caray would have said, "You need some guys." Guys being players. You're not winning anything with Jason Campbell.

Even Shanny will not be able to resuscitate the corpse of Clinton Portis, but the good news is that you can replace Portis with any spare-to-fair 22-year old with half-decent speed, and Shanny will turn him into a 1,200 yard rusher. Get the signature Shanahan running attack going, get Bradford, and you might have something.

At least you'll have something until December, when it will all fall apart, every year, with depressing regularity. Oh well...9-7 or 8-8 and missing the playoffs beats 4-12 and missing the playoffs. Enjoy!

[Guitar Josh]

Originally Posted by Jon Silberman

What's our first round pick, #4? Come on, Josh, enjoy life for just a moment. Who's your dream pick?!

Dream pick? Find some way to get Suh. The Rams are taking Claussen, I'm about 99% sure of it. Not sure what Detroit would want for the #2, but our 1st and 2nd might do it. Suh is the kind of once in a generation player.

Realistic pick? Assuming Okung is gone (and he will be, to KC), go local with with Bruce Campbell of Maryland. A franchise LT potentially.

Stupid as F pick? Bradford. First, I'm not convinced he'll be durable or talented enough as a pro. Second, what good is another QB with such a crap line in front of him?

I would honestly strongly consider taking 2 linemen with the Skins first two picks, and maybe even their first three.

[GuitarsFromMars]

Originally Posted by Jon Silberman

I LOL at the comments from the Philly folks. They may be mean but they're not stupid. They know - as we know - the difference between Cerrato/Zorn and Allen/Shanahan.

were you reading my mind?

[SwedeRacer]

Originally Posted by Bankston

Kubiak was responsible for Plummer's improved numbers, not Shanahan. Steve Young and John Elway had their best seasons when Kubiak was their QB coach. And look at what he did with Matt Schaub.

Good thing, though, is that Kyle Shanahan has learned a lot from Kubiak the last couple of years.

Fair enough, but lets be honest here - its not hard to be a star QB when your running attack and O-line are consistently ridiculous. Denver QBs have always been helped by the run game, even when they are named John Elway.

The only time that hasn't been the case, as far as the running game goes, was with Cutler at the helm, but he still went to the pro bowl so clearly Mike knows a thing or two, Kubiak or not.

At least you'll have something until December, when it will all fall apart, every year, with depressing regularity. Oh well...9-7 or 8-8 and missing the playoffs beats 4-12 and missing the playoffs. Enjoy

I think you guys just proved that this is a Denver thing, not a Shanahan thing. Not even Neckbeard Orton can save you from that plight.

[Guitar Josh]

A little OT, but I actually think that Mallett is my favorite QB in the draft. HUGE, with a big arm and a ton of potential. I also like Jake Locker. I'm not in love with any of the draft's QBs this year, but I think Mallett and Locker will make two teams very happy.

[GuitarsFromMars]

Originally Posted by SwedeRacer

Shanahan! In your face buffalo.

Don't count on it - Bruce Allen likes Campbell and was quick to point out yesterday that JC has the 14th best passer rating despite having arguably the worst O-line in football. We will probably draft a QB in the later rounds but our first round pick is almost certain to be a lineman (probably left side tackle or guard).

this is the variety of choice a REAL GM makes...

[SwedeRacer]

Originally Posted by Guitar Josh

Dream pick? Find some way to get Suh. The Rams are taking Claussen, I'm about 99% sure of it. Not sure what Detroit would want for the #2, but our 1st and 2nd might do it. Suh is the kind of once in a generation player.

Realistic pick? Assuming Okung is gone (and he will be, to KC), go local with with Bruce Campbell of Maryland. A franchise LT potentially.

Stupid as F pick? Bradford. First, I'm not convinced he'll be durable or talented enough as a pro. Second, what good is another QB with such a crap line in front of him?

I would honestly strongly consider taking 2 linemen with the Skins first two picks, and maybe even their first three.

Clausen over Bradford? did you watch Notre Dame this year?

In my eyes neither are top ten picks - Clausen shouldn't go higher then ~17

But yes - Suh is going to be absurdly absurdly amazing in the pros

[Guitar Josh]

Originally Posted by SwedeRacer

We will probably draft a QB in the later rounds but our first round pick is almost certain to be a lineman (probably left side tackle or guard).

Just so you know, a G that high is incredibly rare. If not insane, most franchise Gs are later round draft picks.

Anyway, there is some decent later round QB talent - Devlin, Crompton, McCoy, Robinson, Stull and Hall.

[Guitar Josh]

Originally Posted by SwedeRacer

Clausen over Bradford? did you watch Notre Dame this year?

In my eyes neither are top ten picks - Clausen shouldn't go higher then ~17

But yes - Suh is going to be absurdly absurdly amazing in the pros

Yes I did, did you? 3722 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INT, 68% completions. Incredibly good numbers without alot of help. Prototypical size and arm strength. What on earth are you basing your opinion on?

JFGI, the number of mocks with Claussen as the #1 QB (let alone the #1 pick) are staggering. 17?

[SwedeRacer]

Originally Posted by Guitar Josh

Yes I did, did you? 3722 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INT, 68% completions. Incredibly good numbers without alot of help. Prototypical size and arm strength. What on earth are you basing your opinion on?

JFGI, the number of mocks with Claussen as the #1 QB (let alone the #1 pick) are staggering. 17?

Heh - I dont know where to begin on this.

You want me to seriously consider trusting a mock draft that has Clausen (btw its one 's' not two. if you want to preach a guys virtues at least spell his name right). Anyone doing a mock that doesn't have Suh as the top pick is an absolute idiot - the guys a monster and he'll be playing in a Rams uniform next year. After that its obviously a crap shoot, but the point remains.

Anyway, the first two QBs off the board should and will be Jack Locker and then Bradford. Neither will go top ten by my estimate though its possible they do depending on their pro day and combine workouts, combined with trades etc etc. According to Scouts Inc - a far more reputable site then who ever you're looking at - Clausen is the third ranked QB (behind those mentioned above) and 28th overall in terms of current draftable value.

And then on top off that I'll throw my own personal bias. Remember Brady Quinn? Yeah, ND qb's are reaaaaal good. The fact of the matter is Notre Dame is an overhyped program that, for lack of a better phrase, sucks my ball sack. For some reason they end up in the top 25 preseason rankings every year despite ending each season is a disappointing fashion. The same 'hype' applies to all their players: people look at them because they're from arguably the most famous football school ever and somehow forget that ND hasn't been bowl relevant in years.

Go figure.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally Posted by jimfog

I actually WANT Washington to do well. I prefer when the NFC East is a good, strong conference. It's made me sad to see what's become of that once-proud franchise.

Why this is the nicest thing you've ever said about the 'Skins. I'll have to find a compliment to share on the Eagles!

[chrisjw5]

Gibbs Part 3.

[Guitar Josh]

Originally Posted by SwedeRacer

Heh - I dont know where to begin on this.

You want me to seriously consider trusting a mock draft that has Clausen (btw its one 's' not two. if you want to preach a guys virtues at least spell his name right). Anyone doing a mock that doesn't have Suh as the top pick is an absolute idiot - the guys a monster and he'll be playing in a Rams uniform next year. After that its obviously a crap shoot, but the point remains.

Anyway, the first two QBs off the board should and will be Jack Locker and then Bradford. Neither will go top ten by my estimate though its possible they do depending on their pro day and combine workouts, combined with trades etc etc. According to Scouts Inc - a far more reputable site then who ever you're looking at - Clausen is the third ranked QB (behind those mentioned above) and 28th overall in terms of current draftable value.

And then on top off that I'll throw my own personal bias. Remember Brady Quinn? Yeah, ND qb's are reaaaaal good. The fact of the matter is Notre Dame is an overhyped program that, for lack of a better phrase, sucks my ball sack. For some reason they end up in the top 25 preseason rankings every year despite ending each season is a disappointing fashion. The same 'hype' applies to all their players: people look at them because they're from arguably the most famous football school ever and somehow forget that ND hasn't been bowl relevant in years.

Go figure.

We both agree that Suh SHOULD be the first pick and IS the biggest talent in the draft. However, the Rams appear to be thinking QB. That's what a good mock drafter does - ignores his gut that a team WILL take the best player available. I hope the Rams take Suh, but I don't think they will.

I'm not looking at just one mock, I'm looking at several, from places that historically have been very, very right. You are the one looking at ONE, and making the assumption that a service based on scouting COLLEGE talent is good at predicting PRO talent. But either way, you only want to take one service into consideration, be my guest. I'd rather stick by my own system of 20+ sites (which aren't fly by night), ESPN and SI video, and watching several hours of game and highlights of college per week. You just look at Scout and your own personal bias of a school's history in the NFL, and not the individual player. I bet the Titans and Cardinals were glad they didn't pay more attention to OSU's history of RBs than George or Wells.

Bradford and Locker, who I like, have MAJOR question marks. Bradford is an injury machine. Locker did not play in a pro style offense. Clausen did - and put up big time numbers.

But since you feel like you are the expert here - I'm willing to bet you $100 that Clausen goes off before Bradford AND Locker. This is an absolute, serious offer. If you are more comfortable, we can make the bet payable to a worthwhile charity or donated to the site. I am that sure, and I'm curious to see if you are too.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally Posted by chrisjw5

Gibbs Part 3.

If by this you mean to include that we now have at least a prayer of making it back to the playoffs in my lifetime, I'll take it.

I think, Chris, after all of these years of knowing you, I'm coming to understand at least some of the content of your terse replies. All I'll add is, the reality is what it is. We're stuck with Snyder. Absent an epiphany on his part, there's never going to be a Super Bowl in our future.

Well, I'm past that now. (If not being past it would change the reality, I'd stay not past it - like perhaps Josh - but it won't and so I won't.)

Under the circumstances, I can see the Allen/Shanahan combination at least returning us to being competitive in our Division and no longer the laughingstock of the league. Dayenu (inside joke *).

*

* Dayenu (Hebrew:דַּיֵּנוּ) is a song ... The word "Dayenu" means approximately, "it would have been enough for us" or "it would have sufficed" (day in Hebrew is "enough", and -enu the first person plural suffix, "to us"). ... Wikipedia

[SwedeRacer]

Originally Posted by Guitar Josh

We both agree that Suh SHOULD be the first pick and IS the biggest talent in the draft. However, the Rams appear to be thinking QB. That's what a good mock drafter does - ignores his gut that a team WILL take the best player available. I hope the Rams take Suh, but I don't think they will.

I'm not looking at just one mock, I'm looking at several, from places that historically have been very, very right. You are the one looking at ONE, and making the assumption that a service based on scouting COLLEGE talent is good at predicting PRO talent. But either way, you only want to take one service into consideration, be my guest. I'd rather stick by my own system of 20+ sites (which aren't fly by night), ESPN and SI video, and watching several hours of game and highlights of college per week. You just look at Scout and your own personal bias of a school's history in the NFL, and not the individual player. I bet the Titans and Cardinals were glad they didn't pay more attention to OSU's history of RBs than George or Wells.

Bradford and Locker, who I like, have MAJOR question marks. Bradford is an injury machine. Locker did not play in a pro style offense. Clausen did - and put up big time numbers.

But since you feel like you are the expert here - I'm willing to bet you $100 that Clausen goes off before Bradford AND Locker. This is an absolute, serious offer. If you are more comfortable, we can make the bet payable to a worthwhile charity or donated to the site. I am that sure, and I'm curious to see if you are too.

If the Rams don't take Suh they are idiots - but I really don't see it happening. He's too good and none of the QBs are all that tempting at number one. Sure its tempting to put your pick into that franchise player, but why risk it on one of these qbs when you have a sure thing gift wrapped for you?

Anyway, I'll absolutely agree that Locker and Bradford have question marks, but I still trust their abilities more then I do Clausen's. He just doesn't have it yet - and most scouting reports reaffirm that notion. Btw I'm not just looking at the one site - I used it as a sort of appeal to authority to back up my inclinations and ideas, formed through research similar to what you're claiming. The fact of the matter is most 'people in the know' are ranking Bradford and Locker as the two top QBs despite the injuries. Hell, Bradford probably would've been first off the board last year if he had turned pro, so, depending on combine and physicals, theres no reason to think he'll fall that far.

As far as the bet goes - I would one thousand percent accept it right now if I actually had 100 bucks to wager. Don't take my word for it, but I'm pretty sure the economy sucks right now and working freelance ain't the prettiest way to survive. We can just say this: Should I be wrong feel free to rub my face in it when Clausen goes off the board in the top ten (or if he goes as the number one QB). At the moment i don't see it happening. Of course, draft position will change dramatically after combine and workouts - Jamarcus Russell wouldn't have been number one had Al Davis not seen his 80 yd pro day bomb - so we can both reconsider our positions then.