Are all new Les Paul's Weight Relieved or Chambered?

[Fifthstone]

I was browsing on MF and all seem to mention that they are either chambered or weight relieved. Are they not making solid mahogany LP's anymore? What is a non-chambered weight relief?

[AaeCee]

Historics, unless specified, are all solid. Non-chambered weight relief signifies 'strategically located' swiss cheese holes drilled in the body.

[Eric Thomas]

Originally Posted by Fifthstone

I was browsing on MF and all seem to mention that they are either chambered or weight relieved. Are they not making solid mahogany LP's anymore? What is a non-chambered weight relief?

I'm not a Gibson expert, but think the Standards are chambered and the Traditionals are swiss cheese. I don't know about the cheaper models. You have to go with a Historic LP to get a solid body.

[Fifthstone]

Originally Posted by Eric Thomas

I'm not a Gibson expert, but think the Standards are chambered and the Traditionals are swiss cheese. I don't know about the cheaper models. You have to go with a Historic LP to get a solid body.

That sucks.

[BlueHeaven]

If you're a cork sniffer.

[gkoelling]

Originally Posted by Fifthstone

That sucks.

Oh, I don't know...better to have weight relief than nerve damage to your back or shoulders. Gibson has been doing it for several years.

I have a Vintage Mahogany Studio, the cheapest LP in the catalog, it's weight relieved and sounds just fine.

To me, the Traditional series look like a great value.

[cherrick]

Originally Posted by Eric Thomas

I'm not a Gibson expert, but think the Standards are chambered and the Traditionals are swiss cheese. I don't know about the cheaper models. You have to go with a Historic LP to get a solid body.

Roger that you're not a Gibson expert. Should have left well enough alone. This is entirely bogus.

[Eric Thomas]

Originally Posted by cherrick

Roger that you're not a Gibson expert. Should have left well enough alone. This is entirely bogus.

Care to enlighten us if this is bogus? I think you are wrong.

When the Traditional model was introduced it was confirmed that Gibson uses the same Swiss cheese weight relief method that has been used on the Standards since the 80's.

The current LP Standard is Chambered.

Those are both facts.

I'm just not sure about the cheaper models because every LP Studio I have picked up weighed a ton.

The Historic Line is not chambered or weight relieved. Another fact.

So where am I wrong?

[gkoelling]

Originally Posted by Eric Thomas

Care to enlighten us if this is bogus? I think you are wrong.

+1

That comment contributed nothing, cherrick.

[LowWatt]

Originally Posted by cherrick

Roger that you're not a Gibson expert. Should have left well enough alone. This is entirely bogus.

So what's the truth then?

[Eric Thomas]

Originally Posted by LowWatt

So what's the truth then?

Use the search function. The truth is out there.

[Tim Plains]

Guys read this, should explain everything.
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibs...aul-101-a.html

Only changes since I posted that are:
1. LP R5s exist now; and
2. The LP Studio Deluxe supposedly has swiss cheese holes. They aren't offered in Canada; so, I can't confirm.

Originally Posted by BlueHeaven

If you're a cork sniffer.

What does cork sniffing have to do with this?

Originally Posted by gkoelling

Oh, I don't know...better to have weight relief than nerve damage to your back or shoulders.

Not quite.
Historic reissues get lighter wood; so, even though they're solid, they often weight the same, or less than one with swiss cheese holes.
I have 3 solid LPs that weight in the 8.2 - 8.5 lb range. Find me one with swiss cheese holes that weighs 8.2 lbs.

[Eric Thomas]

Thanks for the link. That should clear it up.

My favorite LP was a CR8 that I had a couple years ago. Should have kept that one....

[gkoelling]

Originally Posted by Are Nine

Guys read this, should explain everything.
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibs...aul-101-a.html

Only changes since I posted that are:
1. LP R5s exist now; and
2. The LP Studio Deluxe supposedly has swiss cheese holes. They aren't offered in Canada; so, I can't confirm.


What does cork sniffing have to do with this?


Not quite.
Historic reissues get lighter wood; so, even though they're solid, they often weight the same, or less than one with swiss cheese holes.
I have 3 solid LPs that weight in the 8.2 - 8.5 lb range. Find me one with swiss cheese holes that weighs 8.2 lbs.

Thanks for the link and clarification. One of these days I'll weigh my VM Studio and probably be disappointed.

Also, if the guitar with the heavier wood didn't have the holes in it, it would fall into the nerve damage category, for me anyway.

[dspellman]

Originally Posted by Fifthstone

That sucks.

There are those who agree with you. If you need a solid-body Les Paul type guitar, you can find them, but you may have to check with smaller companies, private luthiers or Japanese companies who make some great traditionally solid Les Pauls: http://www.espguitars.co.jp/navigator/ etc.