question about the bogner duende/shiva

[destructo]

I have some questions about the bogner duende (and shiva). I've been checking out the clips of the duende on the bogner site, and it sounds amazing.

I'm looking for something versatile for recording, but love the fender blackface chimey sort of clean tone. The duende sounds a little dark in the clips, and my question is: can clean channel pull off that sort of sound?

Same question about the Shiva. Which of the two has cleans closer to this ideal?

[guitarspaz]

I had one. Great amp. It is a little darker that the traditional blackface sound to me but you can probably get close. The tone control interaction between the two channels is complex. You set the tone of channel B which is the higher gain channel with 2 tone controls. You then set the tone of channel A which is the clean channel. Changing the 2 tone knobs of channel B will effect channel A's tone but not vice versa. I never got a real chimey clean out of mine but it wasn't what I was going for. It may be in there somewhere. A lot of possibilities in this amp.

[destructo]

That's good to know about how the two channels affect each other.

Anyone have an opinion about which amp has a clean sound closer to what I'm after: Shiva or duende?

[destructo]

That's good to know about how the two channels affect each other.

Anyone have an opinion about which amp has a clean sound closer to what I'm after: Shiva or duende?

[guitarvc]

I used 6L6 Shivas as my main amp from 2000 to 2007. The 6L6 version gets the clean channel to sound so close to any Fender clean that the difference was minimal. I also did an experiment, running my shiva head through a Fender 2x12 with Jensens and made my wife close her heyes while I switched between that setup and a 68 Super Reverb. She couldnt tell the difference. I could, but barely

The problem with that setup is the overdrive channel lost its punch, so I continued to run with the Bogner oversized 2x12 with V30's and got the best compromise for tonality and punch

[dwoovre]

I own both combos. I've never run my Shiva through a proper open back cabinet, but I greatly prefer the clean channel on the Duende for the sound you are describing. I have never been quite as enamored of the Shiva clean as seems to be common among people around here. It is nice, but the Duende clean is REALLY NICE. It also has a better sounding reverb to my ears.

[H Golf Sport]

I had a victoria victorette that did fender cleans. Sold it once I got a duende.
Were the cleans the exact same? Well not exactly, but definetly the same vibe and just as good. I think the defferences were more due to cab construction and speakers. Jensens and pine cab vs g12h30 and birch ply. I have a feeling the duende has a lot of blackface princeton and/or deluxe reverb in it's DNA. Clean channel has a pull bright that sounds real fendery.
Do your self a favor and call Rob at Tone Merchants and ask about the high gain mod for the duende, just kills. Seco Mojado it and it fills more space in a room than you can believe.

Aloha, Rob.

[es125luv]

I have the new Goldfinger. Awesome cleans, great reverb and excellent drive channel tones- from modded plexi to all out crunch!!!