Let's talk about 10's

[DC1]

Compared to 12's.

What do you hear as the difference? Especially for overdriven sounds.

10's seem generally less honky and middy to me. Maybe a bit sweeter?

I am thinking of getting a 2x10 box.

Which 10's do you like? I like kind of a brit tone, with chime on clean and big teeth on OD.


thanks all!


dc

ps, people talk about how this place makes them spend money. I see it as a way to save money, by not having to buy every dang thing to try it out myself.

[Flyin' Brian]

Still my favorite "10"

[DC1]

Bah! I like my wife better.


Get your mind out of the gutter!










dc

[padavis]

My 2x10 seems to really cut. I love it. Seems to really pump the highs but that might just be the amp.

[DC1]

Originally Posted by padavis

My 2x10 seems to really cut. I love it. Seems to really pump the highs but that might just be the amp.

I used a single 10 in a Matchless for rehearsal this week and it seemed thin by itself, but it ruled with the band. I'm thinking a 2x10 might rule. What kind of speakers are you using?


dc

[Spentmusic]

2x10 cabinets are great. 1x10's are a bit light in air movement for guitars when playing with a full band. Get a pair that can take some wattage and they will really cut through.

[DC1]

Originally Posted by Spentmusic

2x10 cabinets are great. 1x10's are a bit light in air movement for guitars when playing with a full band. Get a pair that can take some wattage and they will really cut through.

Thanks Jeff,

Which 10's do you like?


dc

[neville5000]

This is a generalization, but I think 10's stay a bit tighter in the bass when compared to 12's, and tend to emphasize the top end frequencies; certainly depends on the speaker, YMMV. I have a BF Super with 2 Weber 10A150's and 2 EVM 10M's. The bass response with the EV's is ridiculously good and they are very neutral sounding. The Weber's impart a very balanced character when pushing the amp. I tried quite a few different speakers before I settled on this combo. Someday when I can afford a fork lift I'd like to run the Super with my 65 London as I feel they would compliment each other well.

[epluribus]

Hey DC...Webers...picked up a pair of 40W Ferromax ceramic 10's quite some time ago and stuck 'em in an open-back extension cab, Deluxe-sized. Interesting little beasts, designed for Brit-flavored freq response, but built with smooth cones--a forerunner of the current Silver 10 I'm told, with some characteristics of the 10V. Really heavy magnets and such for the size and wattage.

Dearly love the way they push, and they can do it even at middling volumes by 80W cab standards. Bottom end is solid as a rock and tight as can be. Did I mention, btw, that they're efficient? Loud! Smoother and more Marshally by far than Jensen-style speakers, they do overdrive a ton better. All that said, the detail lives in a slightly lower freq range than you might expect, allowing them to put out gobs of detail while remaining comfortable. Decidedly aggressive yet civil to the ears. "Punch" is the word that comes to mind.

But twelves they ain't. They simply have a tighter way of producing low end and hang together better when pushed. Somehow they just don't sound "big," and certainly not Celestion V30, H30, or Greenback big, much less the more modern speaks like the G12-75 or G12t-100. Much more defined than Hiwatt-style Fanes too, incidentally, far less round. Not quite the basement rattling lows of even the tightest twelves, but better pronounced low-mids and mids that just naturally get out front better.

IMHO the reason for these behaviors is that they probably use power more efficiently than most twelves, as a rule, preferring to devote the power that can be wasted on futile low freqs to those that the guitar makes better use of. Haven't tried 'em for down-tuned chugga, but I'm getting pretty attached to these things.

One mo' thang...IMHO tens are uniquely responsive to changes in the rig and the guitar you run 'em with. (Not to mention your pick.) At first your standard setup may not work just right when you swap guitars or something, but a touch of dialing in brings 'em right back around again. Funny and lively critters that way.

--Ray

Disclaimer Dept: Confess to being partial to Weber Speakers...Ted and Co. were/are friends of mine. But I stand by my ears.

[DC1]

Originally Posted by epluribus

Hey DC...Webers...picked up a pair of 40W Ferromax ceramic 10's quite some time ago and stuck 'em in an open-back extension cab, Deluxe-sized. Interesting little beasts, designed for Brit-flavored freq response, but built with smooth cones--a forerunner of the current Silver 10 I'm told, with some characteristics of the 10V. Really heavy magnets and such for the size and wattage.

Dearly love the way they push, and they can do it even at middling volumes by 80W cab standards. Bottom end is solid as a rock and tight as can be. Did I mention, btw, that they're efficient? Loud! Smoother and more Marshally by far than Jensen-style speakers, they do overdrive a ton better. All that said, the detail lives in a slightly lower freq range than you might expect, allowing them to put out gobs of detail while remaining comfortable. Decidedly aggressive yet civil to the ears. "Punch" is the word that comes to mind.

But twelves they ain't. They simply have a tighter way of producing low end and hang together better when pushed. Somehow they just don't sound "big," and certainly not Celestion V30, H30, or Greenback big, much less the more modern speaks like the G12-75 or G12t-100. Much more defined than Hiwatt-style Fanes too, incidentally, far less round. Not quite the basement rattling lows of even the tightest twelves, but better pronounced low-mids and mids that just naturally get out front better.

IMHO the reason for these behaviors is that they probably use power more efficiently than most twelves, as a rule, preferring to devote the power that can be wasted on futile low freqs to those that the guitar makes better use of. Haven't tried 'em for down-tuned chugga, but I'm getting pretty attached to these things.

One mo' thang...IMHO tens are uniquely responsive to changes in the rig and the guitar you run 'em with. (Not to mention your pick.) At first your standard setup may not work just right when you swap guitars or something, but a touch of dialing in brings 'em right back around again. Funny and lively critters that way.

--Ray

Disclaimer Dept: Confess to being partial to Weber Speakers...Ted and Co. were/are friends of mine. But I stand by my ears.

Thanks Ray!

Great info. It doesn't look like those are still being made, at least I don't see them on the site.


dc

[epluribus]

Unfortunately no, they're from the early days of the company. Haven't run 'em side-by-side with the Silver 10 or the 10V, but the family resemblance is notable, as is the ad copy. BTW, I arrived at this flavor of 2x10 by trading speaks on EBay for awhile and loading up a variety of extension cabs with the occasional aid of a Z-Matcher. (You're not a Z-Matcher fan as I recall, but anyhoo...) Being able to mix and match cabs on the fly is a great way to zero in on what you want. But don't forget to re-sell all the other stuff when you get there unless you have a really nice doghouse.

--Ray

[DC1]

Originally Posted by epluribus

Unfortunately no, they're from the early days of the company. Haven't run 'em side-by-side with the Silver 10 or the 10V, but the family resemblance is notable, as is the ad copy. BTW, I arrived at this flavor of 2x10 by trading speaks on EBay for awhile and loading up a variety of extension cabs with the occasional aid of a Z-Matcher. (You're not a Z-Matcher fan as I recall, but anyhoo...) Being able to mix and match cabs on the fly is a great way to zero in on what you want. But don't forget to re-sell all the other stuff when you get there unless you have a really nice doghouse.

--Ray

I'm trying not to buy everything to try them all!

grrrr.


Never used a Z-Matcher. It was the beam blockers I didn't like. But then I didn't like the Mitchell Donut either.

Just put the amp up where you can hear it...

I may try a pair of those Weber 10's though. Thanks for the help.


dc

[epluribus]

Originally Posted by DC1

I'm trying not to buy everything to try them all!

grrrr.

And you call yourself a TGP'er...

Never used a Z-Matcher. It was the beam blockers I didn't like. But then I didn't like the Mitchell Donut either.

The Mitchell...I was thinkin' about trying that out sometime, haven't gotten around to it. Too busy having fun with the soldering iron I guess.

If you're a cab-o-holic you'll love the Z-Matcher, tho a few reputable folks around here find it changes the feel of the amp. Not IMHO, but just so ya know...

Just put the amp up where you can hear it...

I may try a pair of those Weber 10's though. Thanks for the help.


dc

Yeah, just ask TA or somebody what the Ferromax evolved into. It was their do-it-all Marshall/Vox speaker at the time. Incidentally, I also use an AlNiCo Signature 10S that works wonders in my stock Kalamazoo Model II, but I wouldn't recommend 'em for general use like what you have in mind. Kind of a one-trick Tweed pony, but it's a really great trick.

--Ray

[DC1]

Originally Posted by epluribus

And you call yourself a TGP'er...

I know, I'm such a wimp...





dc

[Flyin' Brian]

Originally Posted by DC1

Bah! I like my wife better.


Get your mind out of the gutter!










dc

Gutter? Posting a pic of a pretty lady is putting my mind in a gutter?

OK how about this? I generally favor 10s over 12s. They seem more responsive and with the proper amp will make my music come out better. Back in the day I had a BF Vibrolux Revers with a pair of JBL D-110Fs. For the cocktail jazz I was playing at the time it was terrific. More recently I bought a Dr Z Carmen Ghia combo with 2 10s and a Dr Z Maz 18 Jr with one 12. I much preferred the 10s.