Eric Gales problem solved

[PeeCee]

I've been venting my frustrations with my Two Rock Eric Gales over the last few days here on TGP. I think I've solved the problem.

Trap mentioned in another thread that his J-2 didn't sound good with a buffered loop in the loop--too compressed and saturated--which was exactly my problem with the EG.

So, I did what I should've done immediately after taking out of the box--plug into the amp and play it without the loop and 2290...



Holy Smokes!! This amp is amazing!!

The clean channel is stupendous and the Lead channel is very tight and usable.

You guys shoulda grabbed my EG while I had it in the emporium, because I'm keeping it now

[mtndog]

Right on!

I had noticed the other thread. Good to see it work out.

[MightyGuru]

Truthfully, I read that thread and came away a little perplexed...that amp sounded fantastic in clips I've heard.

Glad you've solved the problem.

[Steve Snider]

That is an absolutely killer amp and I am glad you figured it out. Try that amp thru a 4X12 if you can and also don't forget about the internal trimmers for the lead channel !!

[PeeCee]

Unfortunately, I just cannibalized my Mesa 4x12 (TT Ceramics) for a speaker to stick in the bottom of this cab.



TT Alnico in the open part on top.

It sounds outrageously good. I actually prefer the sound of this cab to the Mesa 4x12 (at least with the MDD).

I really need to be grading my students' writing assignments, but I can't put the guitar down.

[Steve Snider]

Originally Posted by PeeCee

Unfortunately, I just cannibalized my Mesa 4x12 (TT Ceramics) for a speaker to stick in the bottom of this cab.



TT Alnico in the open part on top.

It sounds outrageously good. I actually prefer the sound of this cab to the Mesa 4x12 (at least with the MDD).

I really need to be grading my students' writing assignments, but I can't put the guitar down.

Awesome! That amp sounds great with anything but if you try it with a closed back cab with celestions (greenbacks or Heritage 30's) you will be amazed. As I said it sounds great no matter what!!!!

[PeeCee]

I've got a mid-70's Marshall cab that I may have to pull out and play with.

After I do my grading!

[hangten]

Glad to hear you worked it out!

[michael.e]

So, what is the deal with the loop? Why does it do that to the amp?

[michael.e]

Originally Posted by KOG

This thread won't be complete without the Two Rock haters........you know the usual dribble that they are over priced, new kid on the block brand X is ten times better at a third of price, I can get the same tone from my Twin Reverb, my dad can beat up your dad, etc......

Come on let's not get complacent!

That's great and all, but, an answer to my question would be nice. Never had a two rock and don't expect to. Well, till my ears develop and mature to appreciate such a refined tone.

[Steve Snider]

Originally Posted by michael.e

That's great and all, but, an answer to my question would be nice. Never had a two rock and don't expect to. Well, till my ears develop and mature to appreciate such a refined tone.

The loop is a passive loop as in interrupt jack. No buffers nor send and return. Designed for an outboard loop. PC problem was probably related to levels but I don't know. A Dumbleator device , which there are many, is what this calls for, or not. A 2290 will sound fine straight in I bet.

[StratStringSlinger]

Yea, I did think it was risky to give up on the amp that quick. Glad you figured it out. I didn't really get how to use the Jet Sig when I first got it. For all my Two-Rocks I was generally able to dial a good tone quickly but didn't really figure it all out for many many months. I just found a new setting on my Classic Reverb after months of thinking I had it dialed in. Then I messed with the negative feedback switches to mimic a JM Sig and started to dial in the tone again, ended up finding a whole new amp in there!

[michael.e]

So, question..

Loop....


Is it, then, better to have a passive loop and have an outboard piece of gear rectify it all? As opposed to having additional circuitry in the amp? Is that the intent of TR's Matchless et. al..

[Dave_C]

Glad you figured that out. I was surprised you didn't like it because I thought all the clips sounded outrageously good. I've had a number of amps that I almost sent back after the first day or two, but then "figured out" and ended up keeping and loving.

As for the loop issue, if it's unbuffered like Steve mentioned, thne yeah, FX which lack adequate buffering will suck tone. If all you're looking for is reverb, the WET Reverb has *superb* buffering specs and actual performance to match and will work great in almost any unbuffered or buffered loop as long as the send level doesn't exceed 6Vpp, which offers a huge margin for a 9V device. None of my amps put out anywhere near that voltage in the loop, but some amps do, so I'd measure it at the levels you play to be sure.

[PeeCee]

This is my 4th Two Rock, too. I was grinning ear to ear with the Opal and Type 3. I was just having trouble finding my voice in the OD channel. So, I figured the slightly more aggressive 10th Anniversary would be the way to go. That's when I started using the 2290 with the external buffer. With the OD in that amp, I felt like I had taken a wrong turn somewhere.

Then I saw the EG clips. I was looking for that girth and tightness in the low end on the OD channel. But, when it arrived, I hooked it up with my V941 in the loop, the OD channel just sounded even worse than the 10th Anniv.

If it wasn't for someone's post about the loop, I would've lost my shirt selling it here.

I'm really glad I took the amp out of the box and retried it. Dancing banana time!

Kinda sad about the haters. I've been playing the guitar for 30+ years and I have owned almost all of the amps they drool over. 45/100s SL plexis, small boxes, tweeds, browns, princetons, champs, whatever...

Yes, there are great tones to be had from those amps, but these new amps are a whole 'nother breed of toneful, mindblowing fun. People are just missing out by not trying out Two Rocks, Fuchs, Red Plates etc.

I'm not saying that these amps are for everyone, but they are certainly aren't a bunch of Dumble clones like many of the bashers believe. Granted, that may have been a starting point, but these amps have their own thing going on. And rather than sitting at the computer bashing amps they have never tried--solely on the basis of someone's rendition of Politician, they should spend that time looking for one close to where they live that they can plug into and take for a spin with their own guitar and whatever kind of music they want to throw at it.

It's kinda like refusing to eat any ice cream that isn't vanilla--or limiting oneself to the missionary position.