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Old 08-12-2010, 11:11 PM
gishlullmoon gishlullmoon is offline
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how come everytime i tried to record electric guitars...

how come everytime i tried to record electric guitars it comes out TERRIBLY unlistenably mudddy? when i use to record (i dont even try any more but im looking into picking up again) i used cakewalk sonar 6 . what was i doing wrong??? why cant you just plug in and play and have it sound good that makes no sense?!i feel like beating the crap outta that shit, iw as using an alesis mixer too but i sold it.

any help or advise for recording electric guitars? when i say electric i mean electric guitars that are using distortion, just trying to make that clear.

what would be the best thing to buy for recording electric guitars? for reasonable price?

im looking at a alesis palm track, just for the hell ot it and may buy one just for a quick immpulse.

but yeah whats the best program/studio/gadget to record electric guitars at a good price? i could really do without headache programs i would love to just make some small adjustments here and there and then just plug in and play. but it all just seems worthless to me if you cant record distortion wtf is the deal..........

please as many recommendations as possible.... i need as much input as you can give me i need info so i know what to buy down the road.
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Old 08-12-2010, 11:32 PM
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how come everytime i tried to record electric guitars it comes out TERRIBLY unlistenably mudddy? when i use to record (i dont even try any more but im looking into picking up again) i used cakewalk sonar 6 . what was i doing wrong??? why cant you just plug in and play and have it sound good that makes no sense?!i feel like beating the crap outta that shit, iw as using an alesis mixer too but i sold it.

any help or advise for recording electric guitars? when i say electric i mean electric guitars that are using distortion, just trying to make that clear.

what would be the best thing to buy for recording electric guitars? for reasonable price?

im looking at a alesis palm track, just for the hell ot it and may buy one just for a quick immpulse.

but yeah whats the best program/studio/gadget to record electric guitars at a good price? i could really do without headache programs i would love to just make some small adjustments here and there and then just plug in and play. but it all just seems worthless to me if you cant record distortion wtf is the deal..........

please as many recommendations as possible.... i need as much input as you can give me i need info so i know what to buy down the road.
I'm by no mean an expert but from past experiences, I would make sure my guitar sounds good (or great) before I hit record.

You didn't explain what you did or what gears you use. That would give us a general idea on how to go from there.

I'll let the experts shine in on this more.
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Old 08-12-2010, 11:35 PM
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OH MYGOD! it just hit me, there may be a problem because im not micing my amp.
BUT i could've sworn ive tried that before. It just hit me everytime ive been puginng in my guitar through a cable straight into the input of the mixer, or ive just been using a pedal to go through the mixer. so.... does it matter what type of mic you use? im uing a shure SM 58......now i couldve sworn i treid this before, i miced my amp and had the mic pugged into the input of the mixer. does it matter how close the mic is or something? do you hold it right next to it or do you leave it some space? how far away should the mic be from the amp?

i dont have an interface or any recording gear at the moment.
but i want to get a interface for chirstmas so it d be cool to know what to save up for! still thinking about getting that alesis palm track
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Old 08-12-2010, 11:39 PM
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oh ok, im using a
1957 fender stratocaster reissue 2007 edition
1984 jcm 800 50 watt combo
78' big muff
various digitech dod + other ehx pedals


the cables im using are horribly cheap and old
they need to be replaced they are falling apart.

that couldnt be the case could it?
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Old 08-12-2010, 11:56 PM
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i went ahead and bought alesis palm track!
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Old 08-13-2010, 07:37 AM
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You could try plugging directly into a Vox Tonelab or something like that...

Also, I just got a Boss BR-800 and like what I'm hearing.
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:27 AM
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bosss brs' are what im thinking about picking up in the future...... thanks for the advice guys
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:40 AM
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If you listened to some of your favorite recorded guitar tones isolated by themselves, you'd be anywhere from surprised to horrified at times. It has to fit in the mix or you will just make mud.
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Old 08-13-2010, 09:19 AM
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ok theres a serious need for some education here.

first off, you should be aware that the reason nobody (mostly) records guitars direct is because the speakers in a guitar cabinet significantly roll off treble frequencies and make the midrange resonante in a way that is very hard to duplicate without special software(i could describe this but it would take too long). Thats why you cant just plug in from a distortion pedal or from your amp and have it sound decent. Your sm58 should be fine for micing the amp, but you'll need to have a way to get your miced signal into the computer. Your alesis should do that job just fine. Then you have to put the mic in the right place. Moving it an inch will make a BIG difference. Start with it pointding directly head on at the center of the speaker right up against the grill. If that records too bright, then move it to the edge at about 1 inch increments until it starts to sound better. If you just cant get it to sound good, then you need to re-evaluate how your amp actually sounds. Try putting your head where the mic is and listening. If you amp is on the floor and you stand up and whack a chord it may sound great, but thats not what the mic is hearing, because its right up against the amp. However if you put your mic where your head is, it will pick up all sorts of unuseable room ambience that you dont want because unless you're in a studio that is acoustically treated, room ambience in a square room generally sounds terrible.

hope this helps.-Dan
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:07 AM
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Also, if you are using the speaker/direct out from your amp into the mixer make sure you use a DI Box. Those are essential when going from a speaker out to a mixer
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:01 AM
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You could try plugging directly into a Vox Tonelab or something like that...

Also, I just got a Boss BR-800 and like what I'm hearing.
Yes, the Vox Tonelabs are great!!!
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Old 08-18-2010, 08:13 AM
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good player -> good sound -> good mic -> good pre -> good atmosphere (lava lamp)?
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Old 08-18-2010, 08:36 AM
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good player -> good sound -> good mic -> good pre -> good atmosphere (lava lamp)?



The lava lamp is a must have for good tones. I also find the use of Christmas tree lights on gobo's to really help smooth out the high end. ;-)
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