I think I want a Vintage Modded Super Delay

[stratguy23]

I love my DMM and Keeley Modded AD-9, but I want one delay (with presents) to cover what I use both of those for to put on a smaller board (they will stay on the big board). I use the DMM for Edge type sounds, and the Keeley is set for just a couple subtle repeats to add depth. I was thinking Vintage Modded Super Delay because it can cover those sounds and do a lot more. Will I be happy with this choice?

[lux_interior]

Yes, it can easily play those roles as well... and many others, too, if you use your imagination a bit. The way I personally handle effects is that I use each one for just one task, and usually I don't like presets because I like things to be very simple when I play, meaning that when I engage pedal A it's going to do this, and B is going to do that, and nothing else. I have to do a lot of tap dancing and change my sound a lot between different song parts (and be 100% on time when doing that), so I have to remain concentrated on what I have to do and when. But the thing is that I am finding out I don't mind using presets with the VMSD, even though I don't use all 8 of them outside home. Plus, it brings so many new sounds to my arsenal it's worth having it just for them.

Like you, I also have a DMM on my pedalboard and the echo part of an old Visual Sound H2O, and I use the DMM only for creating a big "sea" of pad-like sounds (nothing comes close), and the H2O for the occasional repeats like your Keeley. But the beauty is I can cascade them, and that's when the real fun starts... so what I'm trying to say is that the DMM is still king for some uses, and I would keep it along with the VMSD, but pretty much everything else (and a lot more) can be covered by the VMSD, including the convenience of using tap tempo to get modulated dotted eights a la Edge.

[ruger9]

As long as you don't want ALOT of modulation out of the VMSD (Which is sounds like you don't), it should be fine. You won't get an analog delay sound out of it either, but Tape Mode C can do a pretty good job of catching that vibe... unfortunately, all the tape modes also have some built-in modulation, even with the modulation switch set to low. But Tape Mode C is dark enuff that if you're only looking for a couple subtle repeats the modulation probably wouldn't be an issue.

A better choice would be the Brigadier. No presets, of course. But it will do the DMM and AD9 better than the VMSD will. I owned the VMSD & Brigadier side-by-side.

[stratguy23]

Originally Posted by lux_interior

Yes, it can easily play those roles as well... and many others, too, if you use your imagination a bit. The way I personally handle effects is that I use each one for just one task, and usually I don't like presets because I like things to be very simple when I play, meaning that when I engage pedal A it's going to do this, and B is going to do that, and nothing else. I have to do a lot of tap dancing and change my sound a lot between different song parts (and be 100% on time when doing that), so I have to remain concentrated on what I have to do and when. But the thing is that I am finding out I don't mind using presets with the VMSD, even though I don't use all 8 of them outside home. Plus, it brings so many new sounds to my arsenal it's worth having it just for them.

Like you, I also have a DMM on my pedalboard and the echo part of an old Visual Sound H2O, and I use the DMM only for creating a big "sea" of pad-like sounds (nothing comes close), and the H2O for the occasional repeats like your Keeley. But the beauty is I can cascade them, and that's when the real fun starts... so what I'm trying to say is that the DMM is still king for some uses, and I would keep it along with the VMSD, but pretty much everything else (and a lot more) can be covered by the VMSD, including the convenience of using tap tempo to get modulated dotted eights a la Edge.

I figure nothing can replace my DMM, hence I will hang on to it, but it does sound like we want to do a similar thing. It seems like a really cool pedal, and I'm sure I would find more uses out of it than just those two I listed.

[stratguy23]

Originally Posted by ruger9

As long as you don't want ALOT of modulation out of the VMSD (Which is sounds like you don't), it should be fine. You won't get an analog delay sound out of it either, but Tape Mode C can do a pretty good job of catching that vibe... unfortunately, all the tape modes also have some built-in modulation, even with the modulation switch set to low. But Tape Mode C is dark enuff that if you're only looking for a couple subtle repeats the modulation probably wouldn't be an issue.

A better choice would be the Brigadier. No presets, of course. But it will do the DMM and AD9 better than the VMSD will. I owned the VMSD & Brigadier side-by-side.

I was actually wondering about the Brigadier, I just don't like the lack of presents on it. I don't mind a little subtle modulation on my delays, so the fact it has that is not a problem. Thanks for the Brigadier suggestion, I will look more into it.

[jimtaka]

Sounds like the VMSD is exactly what you want. It won't get you the analog, modulation-filled sounds of the DMM. But it will do a lot of sounds. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find the sounds you need.

Originally Posted by ruger9

unfortunately, all the tape modes also have some built-in modulation, even with the modulation switch set to low.

You know that with the modulation switch in the middle it is off right? It doesn't go slow, medium, fast. It goes slow, none, fast.

[stratguy23]

Originally Posted by jimtaka

Sounds like the VMSD is exactly what you want. It won't get you the analog, modulation-filled sounds of the DMM. But it will do a lot of sounds. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find the sounds you need.



You know that with the modulation switch in the middle it is off right? It doesn't go slow, medium, fast. It goes slow, none, fast.

Can the VMSD cop a pseudo-DMM sound that is at least kind of close to the DMM? Like if I want the real DMM sound, I will use that, but I just want something that can come kind of close to the DMM for my smaller board.

[ruger9]

Originally Posted by jimtaka

You know that with the modulation switch in the middle it is off right? It doesn't go slow, medium, fast. It goes slow, none, fast.

Yes, but that's ADDITIONAL modulation... all the tape modes have some level of built-in modulation (wow & flutter), simulating a real tape machine.

[ruger9]

Originally Posted by stratguy23

Can the VMSD cop a pseudo-DMM sound that is at least kind of close to the DMM? Like if I want the real DMM sound, I will use that, but I just want something that can come kind of close to the DMM for my smaller board.

Yes, it can "cop" it, can come "kind of close." "Mild DMM" would be a good way to describe it. It's quite nice.

[jimtaka]

Originally Posted by ruger9

Yes, but that's ADDITIONAL modulation... all the tape modes have some level of built-in modulation (wow & flutter), simulating a real tape machine.

I know. I was just making sure you weren't just flipping the switch all the way left thinking it was the least amount of modulation

Would you use one of the tape modes to get your DMMish sounds, ruger? Or would you use normal mode with the filter control and modulation control?

[ruger9]

Originally Posted by jimtaka

I know. I was just making sure you weren't just flipping the switch all the way left thinking it was the least amount of modulation

Would you use one of the tape modes to get your DMMish sounds, ruger? Or would you use normal mode with the filter control and modulation control?

Definitely tape mode. After all, the DMM was made FOR simulating tape delay. I think I used mode B, with slow modulation on.

[jimtaka]

Yeah, I also use Tape Mode B. I can't remember how I have the modulation and filter controls.

[rochell59]

I think mode B, slow modulation, high pass filter and repeats close to 12 o'clock

[R_S_G_7]

Originally Posted by stratguy23

Can the VMSD cop a pseudo-DMM sound that is at least kind of close to the DMM? Like if I want the real DMM sound, I will use that, but I just want something that can come kind of close to the DMM for my smaller board.

I had a super delay and a DMM sitting side by side for over a year and i don't think a SD can do DMM... its just to clean even in tape... it doesn't have the same character.

[ruger9]

Originally Posted by R_S_G_7

I had a super delay and a DMM sitting side by side for over a year and i don't think a SD can do DMM... its just to clean even in tape... it doesn't have the same character.

Keep in mind he said "kinda close" to a DMM. The SD can do that. It's no DMM, but it can do that dreamy, repeats blending in, floating thing the DMM does. Like I said, a "mild" DMM. The Brigadier can get scary close to the DMM. Actaully, the Echo Park I had, in analog mode (patterned after the DMM) could alos get scary close... and I owned the EP & DMM at the same time.