Just ordered a Palmer Cab sim to use with a Two Rock...

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by elambo
I don't like the sound I get from a Hotplate. That's what I'm trying to avoid.

And what he's trying to tell you is that is you use it as a load it won't matter.

[elambo]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
And what he's trying to tell you is that is you use it as a load it won't matter.

I've only ever used the Hotplate with the speaker out and while attenuating, which is what I don't like. It alters the sound too much.

But you seem to be saying that the sound from the direct-out is unchanged? That could be, but I've never tried it.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by elambo
I've only ever used the Hotplate with the speaker out and while attenuating, which is what I don't like. It alters the sound too much.

But you seem to be saying that the sound from the direct-out is unchanged? That could be, but I've never tried it.

Indeed what I'm saying...and what Cultreri been saying two times already.

[elambo]

Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
Indeed what I'm saying...and what Cultreri been saying two times already.

And I never would have asked, except for this quote from THD, which I remember reading when I bought the damn thing:

"The THD Hot Plate is the first, and for now, the only attenuator that is frequency compensated."

Frequency compensated? I'm obviously missing something because everyone keeps telling me that the signal will remain intact, yet this quote says otherwise.

The 04 will be at my door in a couple of days, so I'll know soon enough. I'll post my impressions here after I spend some time with it.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by elambo
And I never would have asked, except for this quote from THD, which I remember reading when I bought the damn thing:

"The THD Hot Plate is the first, and for now, the only attenuator that is frequency compensated."

Frequency compensated? I'm obviously missing something because everyone keeps telling me that the signal will remain intact, yet this quote says otherwise.

The 04 will be at my door in a couple of days, so I'll know soon enough. I'll post my impressions here after I spend some time with it.

Frequency compensated as in Fletcher Munson if you use the attenuation. But you don't you're using the line out!.

[elambo]

Tired the Hotplate today into a Palmer 09, fed by a Bad Cat. Eeh, so-so results. It sounds much better through the speaker. I'm much more impressed with the Palmer 09 when it's being fed by my Randall MTS modules. Who would have guessed...

[bjm007]

I bought a bunch of Palmer speaker simulators/emulators over the past few years. Picked up a handful of PDI-03's on ebay largely from European sellers that are by far the best, and got a PDI-09 and a PGA-04 just to try. At the very least they have their place in the recording arsenal... Even though they cost me a small fortune the 03's just sound amazing...

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by elambo
Tired the Hotplate today into a Palmer 09, fed by a Bad Cat. Eeh, so-so results. It sounds much better through the speaker. I'm much more impressed with the Palmer 09 when it's being fed by my Randall MTS modules. Who would have guessed...

As a rule you will have better results with amps with more pre-amp gain when using any DI stuff...whether it's the 09, the 04 or 03.
And yes a miked speaker will ALWAYS sound better...assuming you know what to do with the mic.

I sure don't understand why you would want to run a 2 Rock through a Palmer, might as well use a Mesa Quad pre...but hey different strokes.

[elambo]

Sure Ed, but my point was that an amp "model", albeit a good analog one like the Randall, sounds better than an actual amp itself when BOTH are being fed into a Palmer 09. No mics. What was surprising was the fact that the real-deal Bad Cat was sub-par in this scenario - all things being equal in the chain except for the addition of the HotPlate. I sound like a broken record - I know that - but no one seems to hear what it's saying.

As I've said twice before, there are times when miking is simply not an option, so I need the 2nd best option. That's what drove me to start this thread. The whole world is steering me towards a PDI-03, which I've started to (attempt to) track down.

[loverocker]

The thing is that there are no rules in tone. No matter whose gear you use, how well it's designed to work with other stuff, some combinations just don't work as well as they should on paper.

I originally bought a Palmer 04 and later found an 03, thinking I'd keep that and sell the 04. But the 04 does better on some tones, tones that I was sure the 03 ought to tackle at least as well. <shrug> So I kept both. I also kept the Marshall SE-100.

Ed - you really think a Quad Pre sounds like the results of a cranked amp into a Palmer? Blimey!

[Randy]

I had a pair of PGA-04's for a while that I used with a bunch of different amps including Two Rocks. They were fantastic for clean and edge of breakup tones, but with any decent amount of gain they started sounding fizzy and heavily filtered. I tried for weeks to dial them in, including heavy use of outboard EQ, but finally gave up.

Instead I built a pair of ISO cabs which, while not perfect sound much better for my needs. I wouldn't mind having another Palmer to blend in with my ISO cab tones though.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by elambo
Tired the Hotplate today into a Palmer 09, fed by a Bad Cat. Eeh, so-so results. It sounds much better through the speaker. I'm much more impressed with the Palmer 09 when it's being fed by my Randall MTS modules. Who would have guessed...

Furthermore why woulf you run thw 09 after the Hot Plate? It belongs before.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by loverocker
The thing is that there are no rules in tone. No matter whose gear you use, how well it's designed to work with other stuff, some combinations just don't work as well as they should on paper.

I originally bought a Palmer 04 and later found an 03, thinking I'd keep that and sell the 04. But the 04 does better on some tones, tones that I was sure the 03 ought to tackle at least as well. <shrug> So I kept both. I also kept the Marshall SE-100.

Ed - you really think a Quad Pre sounds like the results of a cranked amp into a Palmer? Blimey!

No I think the Quad pre sounds better than a high gain amp into a Palmer.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally posted by elambo
Sure Ed, but my point was that an amp "model", albeit a good analog one like the Randall, sounds better than an actual amp itself when BOTH are being fed into a Palmer 09. No mics. What was surprising was the fact that the real-deal Bad Cat was sub-par in this scenario - all things being equal in the chain except for the addition of the HotPlate. I sound like a broken record - I know that - but no one seems to hear what it's saying.

As I've said twice before, there are times when miking is simply not an option, so I need the 2nd best option. That's what drove me to start this thread. The whole world is steering me towards a PDI-03, which I've started to (attempt to) track down.

First off how is it the same set-up between running a Randall MTS into a Palmer and running a Bad Cat into aHot Plate into a Palmer?
Again, the Palmer goes on the speaker out of the amp...NOT the line or speaker out of the Hot Plate. It would sound like ass.
Secondly you're comparing apples and oranges.

[bluesdoc]

Originally posted by Randy
I wouldn't mind having another Palmer to blend in with my ISO cab tones though.

Randy, I have an 04 I'm not using if you're interested.

jon