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Old 12-07-2010, 01:01 PM
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Given the evidence they were presented with they rendered the legally correct verdict.
Which doesn't mean that he didn't actually commit the act...

It only means "not guilty in a court of law". It doesn't mean he didn't do it.

He certainly didn't spend a whole lot of energy on his crusade to find "the real killers", either...
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:01 PM
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I can accept that the State failed to prove their case and OJ did it. I can accept that the defense proved reasonable doubt and OJ did it.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:02 PM
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Going up against the LAPD which has a history of being a racist, corrupt organization I would too. If you had Simpson's wealth and were framed for a double homicide by someone like Mark Furman wouldn't you try to assemble a good team of lawyers?

If you honestly believe he had a "great" legal team you should read Vince Bugliosi's "Outrage" where he puts that myth to bed.

IIRC nobody on Simpson's legal team (sans F. Lee Bailey) had ever tried a murder case. The only "great" lawyers he had were Barry Scheck and Alan Dershewitz - who was brought in to work on the appeal if he were to be convicted.

I have always been of the opinion that two angles should have been looked at more closely - Ron Goldman's known drug connections and Jason Simpson - OJ's son.
Sorry dude ... I'm not buying. OJ was guilty as hell. I don't doubt that he's a nice guy on the golf course, but the evidence went way beyond circumstantial.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:04 PM
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Jury selection sealed the deal once Johnny got on a roll.
Exactly. Remember, it was not a jury of Simpson's peers.

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Following the preliminary hearing, the case was moved to the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center in Downtown Los Angeles from Santa Monica. The decision, commonly attributed to the District Attorney, was actually the decision of the Los Angeles Superior Court, which cited damage to the Santa Monica Courthouse from the 1994 Northridge Earthquake and security concerns for moving the trial downtown. The decision would prove critical because a jury pool selected Downtown would have more Latinos, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and blue-collar workers than a jury pool from Santa Monica.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:08 PM
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This is America.

You get a trial and it's up to the State to prove their case. If they can't you walk.

I know that if I were accused of a crime I would get the best defense money can buy.

I can accept that the State failed to prove their case and maybe OJ did it. I can accept that the defense proved reasonable doubt and maybe OJ did it.

I can accept that the LAPD tried to frame a guilty man - but I don't blame the jury.

Given the evidence they were presented with they rendered the legally correct verdict.

I agree that the state "failed to prove the case"...but you must know in your heart that OJ did it & walked. Also, why was there ANY of Ron Goldman's blood in OJ's Bronco?

"how come there is less than seven-tenths of one drop of blood consistent with Mr. Goldman found in the Bronco?"
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:09 PM
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Exactly. Remember, it was not a jury of Simpson's peers.

Don't forget it was DA Gil Garcetti was the one who transfered the case downtown - not OJ's legal team.

Once again, the OJ haters pick things like DNA and the location of the trial to use against him when the responsibility for these things land in the DA's lap.

Mr. Goldman's (who was a drug runner) blood was also unaccounted for. Just as socks of OJ's contained stains that were not noted until much later (and FBI crime lab confirmed the transfer of blood had happened while they were laying flat) were planted with blood it is not inconcievable that Mr. Goldman (who had defensive wounds on his body - yet OJ had no marks on him) had his blood planted or that he had ridden in the Bronco when Nichole drove it - as they were friends and she had been known to drive the Bronco.

Like I said, I believe the murders were committed by Jason Simpson (which would explain the Simpson DNA - if you believe it was not planted), or by drug connections of Ron Goldman.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:33 PM
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What was Furman motive to frame OJ, Amp..???
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:38 PM
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What was Furman motive to frame OJ, Amp..???
The proven fact that he was both a liar and a racist - also, the fact that he had been married to a white woman.

It would be against policy here to post quotes from Furman, but if you heard what he had to say about inter-racial relationships (or minorities with money) on his taped interviews you could answer your own question.

Do a google, I'm sure you can find his words.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:42 PM
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Mr. Goldman's (who was a drug runner)
And you have proof of this?
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:44 PM
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The planting theory was also supported by the FBI tests, which showed evidence of EDTA in the samples from the back gate.
I assume planting evidence is a big crime with severe penalties. Who were the people arrested and tried for planting the evidence in the OJ case? Were they convicted?
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:46 PM
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This is funny, eh AMP?

So perhaps it really did boil down to race, after all. How else can we explain white America's bland willingness to accept the mass of physical evidence on face value, assuming that motive, state of mind, lack of alibi, opportunity, matching blood, fiber and hair samples and flight from the law meant that O.J. Simpson had murdered two people? We were so smug about it.

Of course, from the moment he laid eyes on the crime scene, Mark Fuhrman understood how it would play. "Look, it was dark, 3 a.m.," the former L.A.P.D. detective recalled at his internal-affairs hearing. "I was surrounded by 16 other cops who I knew would cover for me. It was the perfect opportunity to frame one of the most beloved public figures in America for murder. What would you have done?"

While the question was rhetorical, its implication still lingers, still troubles. Who among us wouldn't have been tempted to scoop up that bloody glove on the off chance that it could be used to pin the murder on the wrong party?

At the sentencing of L.A.P.D. criminalist Dennis Fung, he as much as said the same thing: "When I heard what Mark had done, I immediately drew him aside and asked, 'What can I do to help?' I knew that if I were caught, my career would be in the toilet, and I'd probably go to jail, but it seemed worth it to get a black guy in trouble."

It was Fung, of course, who later degraded the Bundy blood samples by baking them in his crime-lab truck, thus making it necessary to enlist forensic specialist Collin Yamauchi. Yamauchi, in his memoir, recalled taking Simpson's reference sample and swabbing it across the evidence swatches, thus obscuring the real murderer's blood with Simpson's dna-rich cells. "That was difficult," boasted Yamauchi, "but painting the socks with Nicole's blood was even more complicated. Since no one had seen blood on them, I had to use an airbrush to get a subtle effect."

Fortunately, the rest of the evidence tampering was pretty routine. Planting hairs on the knit cap and the victim's shirt; planting fibers on the glove, the socks and the shirt; planting carpet fibers on the cap--as a racist cop, Yamauchi had done these sorts of things a thousand times before. Even his boss, Michele Kestler, didn't deem it necessary to oversee Yamauchi's work, preferring to focus on the ongoing cover-up.

What remains astonishing, of course, is that while 21 police employees in three departmental divisions were required to frame O.J., there was no security breach (although the J.F.K.-assassination conspiracy of 212 people from seven federal and state agencies remains the record to beat). This was especially remarkable given their diverse reasons for involvement. Of the 21 co-conspirators, five indicated they were motivated by racism, 13 were covering for fellow cops, and three said they were attracted to the purely technical challenge of framing a completely innocent man in full view of the world media.

Still, if O.J. had been convicted according to plan, the wall of silence might well have held. It was not until the jury in last fall's civil suit found for Simpson that an outraged Yamauchi broke ranks and signed his book deal. "Two long, costly trials, and O.J. walked," the criminalist wrote. "After all our hard work, it was too much. The physical evidence we'd fabricated was massive, irrefutable. The system just didn't work."

Of course, the defense would argue just the opposite. Many court observers contend that Simpson attorney Robert Baker's surprisingly persuasive argument that O.J. had cut his hand while napping was a turning point in the trial. Jurors were also seen nodding in seeming agreement when Baker contended that 6 billion-to-1 DNA odds still represented reasonable doubt. And certainly the plaintiffs' case suffered a blow when Kato Kaelin admitted he had initially testified for the prosecution in the vain hope that with O.J. behind bars, he'd be allowed to move into the main house.

There is a lesson to be learned here: once committed to a point of view, people develop a vested interest. Although Oliver Stone's upcoming Framed! clearly overstates the case in its ugly, baseless claim that White House lawyer Vince Foster killed Nicole (highly unlikely since Foster was "murdered" a year earlier), Stone's case for Goldman's being killed by Al Cowlings in a cleanup operation probably shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Fuhrman, as always, remains unrepentant. "Framing someone is pretty complicated," he told a prison visitor recently. "I've framed people in the past, and believe me, it can backfire. But I had something special going for me. I had the cover of 20 other police officers who would lie for me in a heartbeat. These people were the best."
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Donnie, is that the Onion?
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No. Time magazine!

November 25th, 1996.
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Whether OJ murdered his spouse does not negate the fact that he abused her both physically and mentally.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:42 PM
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Al Cowlings was never charged with aiding and abetting, felony fleeing and a myriad of other charges. "Justice" indeed.
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