Help me understand...

[CaptainRazorlegs]

...extreme electronic noise.... I dig noise music, guitar and other non oscillator feedback stuff, I think when it comes to noise the more insane the better (although its nice for some "pop" overtones) What I've seen allot of lately on the web are cassette only extreme electronic noise bands, I dont understand the appeal at all, there seems to be no real variation in the peices let alone the genre itself. If someone is into these extreme bands could you let me know whats the appeal and why you listen to them? Cause Im really curious. Might be because I dont really appreciate electronic groups very much anyways, I have to admit its pretty unique how some of these people get their tones though. Looking at youtube vids of some of these acts the people seem to totally be into the 9 min oscillation.

[circusinthesky]

Ah, that's a tall order. I hate to use the phrase "either you get it or you don't" because that implies that you (or the one not "getting it") are somehow deficient in some way. Of course, that's not the case. I don't get most top 40, pop Country, white guy rap (unless its the Beasties, of course), or Gary Moore type blues. Its okay...I'm not dead inside.

But, back to noise, glorious noise. I suppose its the surprises...the (apparent) randomness, the tidal revolutions and oscillations of sound that build to deafening static crescendos, and then explode into sonic confusion. Its the embryonic drone of blood and heartbeat....the trance inducing hummmmmmmmmm...chirp..hummmmmmmmmm of electronic, analog repetition. Its all of these things and more, and really, either you get it or you don't.

Oops.

[CaptainRazorlegs]

you got me there, usually with music genres I can put myself in a followers shoes and think of reasons why someone would like the genre (spite me being disatisfied) but some of the incredibly "harsh" electro stuff I honestly dont understand! and Im finding it humorous because this genres not-to-distant cousin "harsh guitar noise" is what totally gives me an eargasm. And theres a very fine line to me between endless guitar feedback with occasional atonal bends and a distorted osscilator.

AA records compilation LP may corrupt my electro virgin ears, its gonna be the test.

[circusinthesky]

Honestly, there is a lot of Japanese electronic noise stuff which is just too much for my tastes as well these days, but I can handle small doses. It'll be interesting to see what others say.

You might change the subject to include extreme electronic noise, maybe to catch their eye.

[CaptainRazorlegs]

I love japanese stuff like Boredomes and Merzbow, but damn some of the craziest stuff is from japan, theres some "free jazz" acts that almost are almost unlistenable.

stuff like this, doesnt do anything for me. and the paragraph above makes me even more curious...."true masterwork"...
http://www.hansonrecords.net/category/artists-browse-list/ahlzagailzehguh

I guess I just dont get it

[memiller]

There's nothing to understand, just as there's nothing to understand about country music, or the blues, or anything else. It either generates a response or it doesn't.

[mbargav]

Originally Posted by circusinthesky

Honestly, there is a lot of Japanese electronic noise stuff which is just too much for my tastes as well these days, but I can handle small doses. It'll be interesting to see what others say.

You might change the subject to include extreme electronic noise, maybe to catch their eye.

If you want to give it another chance, check out this Otomo Yoshihide record: http://allmusic.com/album/flutter-r529274

Lot of experimental noise stuff, but the underlying framework is pretty straightforward avant-jazz. Very accessible & musical. Big fan of Otomo Yoshihide in general: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomo_Yoshihide

[Chrome Dinette]

There was a lot of noise music coming from Japan in the 80's and 90's. If I am not mistaken, a lot of those folks were inspired by kraut rock, Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music, free jazz and probably 20th century composers as well. Maybe check out some of that stuff as a reference. On the free jazz side, maybe listen to Peter Brotzmann's old FMP releases or Masayuki Takayanagi's stuff. You might check out Microphonie, Kontakt or Gesang der Junglinge by Stockhausen.

It seems that there was a big explosion of noise bands in the 2000's, probably somewhat inspired by the success of Wolf Eyes. I enjoyed them the 2 or 3 times I saw them live. They have a million releases, so it's hard to say where to start with them.

[CaptainRazorlegs]

The whole Wolf eyes thing almost got me off, with their metalic objects and what not, but Id be more interested in JUST metal intruments, Ive seen sound units that people have made on the web with springs, chains and sheet metal.. but i havent found a record that revolves around straight up contact miced homemade instruments. I most likely made way more of a deal than i realized at the beginning of the thread.
I ordered the AA records (wolf eyes) lathe cut compilation, to 1) listen to the qualities of lathe cut records and 2) possibly find some good absolute noise introductions.

As for Masayuki Takayanagi, I bought the album "tread on sure ground" with the new direction a few years back and totally dug it. seems like the rest of his discography is quite $$

My apologies for being a prude with electronic noise

[Chrome Dinette]

I myself certainly don't like all of it or listen to it that much, just trying to give a little perspective, at least as I see it.

As for a band with instruments only made from metal, check out Neptune.







http://www.ithacatimesartsblog.com/i...f-scrap-metal/

[BobPoomba]

One of my friends is really into this stuff. So much he made his own "project."

From my experience with him I came to these conclusions.

Their mind is shot from all the drugs (meth, crack, whippits, coke, more meth)

It's "weird" and "out there" so it means by liking this stuff you are above everyone else because they "just don't get it."

It's easy to do it and say you made "music."

Seriously, when me and this guy used to "jam" I'd play guitar, he'd play bass, but then he'd stop playing bass and then go to this effects board and start messing with it making unmusical sounds until it all sounded like white noise.

This is also a dude who's been playing guitar for fifteen years and can't play one song all the way through. So again, this is an easy cop out way to make "music" and blow yourself with.

Drugs are bad mmkay?

[CaptainRazorlegs]

Those metal guitars are insane looking, reverse travis bean (metal neck/wood body vs wood neck/metal body) Ill have to check 'em out.

Thats the tricky part of noise, the drug factor. Thats an interesting perspective, who knows, allot of these artists could be totally burnt out from drug abuse. But some drugged out musicians come out with the most incredible stuff, at the same time a total lightweight could come out with the most hardcore noise rock stuff. some experimental music is so intricate and sounds completely mimimal and effortless. but to be in a good minimal band you atleast need a preconceived equasion for what everyone does so the balance is right, same with free jazz/improv acts, you have to drop all ego and contribute to the overall sound.

True there is a superiority complex to "abstract" genres, but theres people like that in every genre. I mean shit read the synopsis of this movie:
"My kid could do that"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0912592/

Seems along with "real" artists of every genre, there are quite a few scheme bands that have a wild back story to gain publicity, and the listeners totally fall for it and take it seriously, buying every limited edition release.

In a media driven world like today, I dont think you can really differ the "true" from the "fake", I could record myself stripping the groute from my shower and come up with a crazy backstory and make a crack at selling it on the web.

[CaptainRazorlegs]

Neptune is actually pretty sweet, very interesting. the whole idea of making your own instruments reminds me totally of the ***** galore drum kit or the random instruments in Einsturzende Neubauten.

[Ziggy AngelDust]

Originally Posted by CaptainRazorlegs

I love japanese stuff like Boredomes and Merzbow, but damn some of the craziest stuff is from japan, theres some "free jazz" acts that almost are almost unlistenable.

stuff like this, doesnt do anything for me. and the paragraph above makes me even more curious...."true masterwork"...
http://www.hansonrecords.net/category/artists-browse-list/ahlzagailzehguh

I guess I just dont get it

I could see relaxing into that in a meditational way, weird as that may sound.

[CaptainRazorlegs]

Kind of like Binaural beats or monk chanting? Haha, I couldnt get mellow!
Although......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFW6tc0om98

Freak out!