DiMarzio Area 58 vs Texas Specials output

[johann]

Hi, I'm looking for a neck and middle pickups for a MIM strat and I want to know which one of these pickups have more output, I looked at DiMarzio's site and it says the Area 58 has 125 of output...125 what???

And fender's Texas specials (N: 2.4 Henries, M:2.6Henries)

can anyone help me???

Thanks

[CRAIG4FSU]

Area 58 DC resistance 6.15 K
http://www.dimarzio.com/pickups/stra...-strat/area-58

Texas special DC resistance 7.6 K in bridge position
http://www.ehow.com/list_7313840_fen...fications.html

I look at resistance to tell how hot (output) pups are and try and match bridge and neck postions fairly close to avoid the annoying output/volume drop when switching from bridge to neck.Also,if i want a guitar set up for full on rocking out or a mellower vintage sound,etc. .Thats just me and there are MANY more qualified folks on here to elaborate further and probably correct me?

[K-Line]

The Henries matter as well but the two are not comparable. I would say the TS most resembles the 67 or 61 from memory. The 58 is a bit mellower. Understand that the type of wire, construction and adjustment all make a difference. Do not always just look at output.

[gulliver]

I have a 67 in neck and TS in middle, they do mix well, but I have the TS set a little lower, which also gives me room to dig in. I'm pretty sure I had the 58 in this same configuration at some point of experimenting, never noticed an output mismatch issue, but yes, the 58 is a little hotter/bigger than the 67.

[johann]

so, is the 58 on middle and TS on the neck a good idea???

[solitaire]

Originally Posted by johann

so, is the 58 on middle and TS on the neck a good idea???

The 125 is mVs. I would look into the Area '61 which is 142mV and has more of that Texas blues sound. I have the 61 in the bridge and it's very purposeful. Although the warmest to me it's the most textured of the Areas.

Also bear in mind: the mid position often is the bassiest.

[bobotwt]

Originally Posted by solitaire

The 125 is mVs. I would look into the Area '61 which is 142mV and has more of that Texas blues sound. I have the 61 in the bridge and it's very purposeful. Although the warmest to me it's the most textured of the Areas.

Also bear in mind: the mid position often is the bassiest.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "textured"?

Josh

[gulliver]

Originally Posted by johann

so, is the 58 on middle and TS on the neck a good idea???

I think they will match well as long as you don't need them to be a perfect output match ... I prefer area neck and TS middle, but if you have them you can try both ways.

[wizard333]

I look at resistance to tell how hot (output) pups are

Then you're fooling yourself a great deal of the time.

This is only relevant if

1) you know the two pickups in question use the same magnet type and strength

2) You know the two pickups in question use the same gauge of wire

3) You know the two pickups in question use the same construction.

At least 2, if not 3 of those things are NOT the same when looking at a texas special vs. an Area.

If DCR was the measure of output, old style stacks like an HS 1/2/3 or a YJM would be UNBELIEVABLY hot at 17k+DCR, but they are very weak pickups. A JB would be a really hot pickup but its not, its 44 ga. wire that makes the DCR so high, a JB is just loud enough to barely match outputs with a 7.5k DCR neck pickup. A Humbucker from Hell would be wimpy as all get out at under 6k DCR for a humbucker, but its output matches most bridge PAFs.

You get the point. A whole lot of things determine pickup output, DCR is not an accurate measure by any means unleass you're comparing two pickups where the three things enumerated above are the same.

[CRAIG4FSU]

Originally Posted by wizard333

Then you're fooling yourself a great deal of the time.

This is only relevant if

1) you know the two pickups in question use the same magnet type and strength

2) You know the two pickups in question use the same gauge of wire

3) You know the two pickups in question use the same construction.

At least 2, if not 3 of those things are NOT the same when looking at a texas special vs. an Area.

If DCR was the measure of output, old style stacks like an HS 1/2/3 or a YJM would be UNBELIEVABLY hot at 17k+DCR, but they are very weak pickups. A JB would be a really hot pickup but its not, its 44 ga. wire that makes the DCR so high, a JB is just loud enough to barely match outputs with a 7.5k DCR neck pickup. A Humbucker from Hell would be wimpy as all get out at under 6k DCR for a humbucker, but its output matches most bridge PAFs.

You get the point. A whole lot of things determine pickup output, DCR is not an accurate measure by any means unleass you're comparing two pickups where the three things enumerated above are the same.

Thanks for the input (sincerely,not being wise@$$).This,however,adds to the plethora of choices that are already driving me nuts!!!

I might pm you for some advice if thats cool with you?I have an American strat i am over hauling.

[solitaire]

Originally Posted by bobotwt

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "textured"?

Josh

Let's say a pickup would be really smooth sounding. That makes it rather predictable on how it would behave in various situations, especially when we bring distortion into it. But that can make it predictable to the point of being plain boring too, if we don't take particular care. Hence the debate on active pickups and Lace Sensors.

We could bring in equations of chaos and random into it should we want to, but I believe a part of a pickup being 'organic sounding' has to do with certain peaks in the frequency range protruding more than others and hence at clipping these accents will reach distortion earlier. With e.g. alnico and its inherent overtone content these frequencies doesn't have to be fundamentals necessarily.