Bright sound with Eleven Rack

[darkknight91]

Question for some of you that may have had the same problem. I've had the Eleven Rack for about a month. Mainly just screwing around at home through headphones. With a set of AKG 240M's it sounds really good. Good hi's and some lo end thump on certain amps. I took it to my studio last night and ran the XLR outs to my board through the monitors and the sound is very bright. Virtually no low end at all. Changed speakers and mics and can hardly tell the difference on some of the models. Then I ran it through a UA 610 preamp....same thing. Ran the amp outputs....same thing. The speaker cabs are on. Don't know what else it could be. Tried the headphones again and they sound fine. There's no way I could tweak or balance the presets with the sound I'm getting. Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

[mouzer]

11r can be pretty bright sounding, but not uncontrollably so. Guitar is a pretty bright sounding instrument as it is, especially when your amp starts to clip. Try spending some extra time dialing things in without headphones.

[darkknight91]

Ive been playing a Hayseed for the last 5 years so I'm by no means a low end freak. There's just no resonance from the XLR or 1/4" outputs. Headphones sound great. Using Mackie HR824 monitors and none of my mixes suffer from this. Even on the recto or Bogner settings it's very bright with no low end. Yes the cabs are on. it's buzz city without them.

[Danny W.]

Go to the User Options page (by pressing and holding the Edit/Back button until the page appears), scroll down to "Outputs To Amp" and make sure the selection is "Rig Output", not "Rig Output No Cab"

Danny W.

[darkknight91]

Thats what its on. Just incredibly bright sounding. I'd like to have another one here to compare.

[mdme_sadie]

No need to try another, just listen to the various examples out there to compare.

e.g. : http://www.thegearpage.net/board/sho...d.php?t=888623

If that sounds different to how the same patch sounds on your unit (dont' forget to ignore the bass guitar being played in those examples filling out the sound) then either you need to adjust your settings to match or your unit might be faulty.

Also don't forget that you can't really make patches with headphones, so if you're using headphones for your patches then playing them through speakers there's always problems there. Try making patches from scratch with the speakers and see how they sound.

[AndrewSimon]

Put the UA 610 before the 11R, use the LINE IN on the 11R if it has one.

[darkknight91]

Well i think i figured it out. I did make some of those patches with headphones and had the 57 on axis. Made it really bright. The 121 off axis works better with speakers on some presets. Thanks for bringing me back to basics, Sadie.

[alp]

I recommend 4x12 Green 25W cab with some OFF AXIS mic choices. I also found any other cabs and on mic settings too bright. "57+On Axis" is the worst thing you can do to your sound IMO on 11R. Ironically, in real world I have done some good sounding recordings with an SM57 placed center of my amp's cab on axis.

Hope this helps... 11R is great when you spent some time with it, good luck!

[eman22]

Originally Posted by alp

I recommend 4x12 Green 25W cab with some OFF AXIS mic choices. I also found any other cabs and on mic settings too bright. "57+On Axis" is the worst thing you can do to your sound IMO on 11R. Ironically, in real world I have done some good sounding recordings with an SM57 placed center of my amp's cab on axis.

Hope this helps... 11R is great when you spent some time with it, good luck!

however are you talking about the guitar on its own or in a mix.....becasue frankly the sound in a mix (when heard in isolation) can be unpleasing.

When recording.....try on-mic and then double track off-mic and then blend to taste........

etc.....lots of tricks.....

[MrEleven]

I also highly recommend adding a bit of Speaker Breakup (available in the Expansion Pack). At low-ish settings (around 3.0) it compresses the high end a bit and can smooth out some harshness from pure power tube clipping.

And of course you can also use the Parametric EQ (available in the Expansion Pack) to dial in the tone exactly how you want.

Adam Q. recently an excellent cover of Weezer's Say It Ain't So, which I think is very well balanced tonally. How does this sound on your speakers?
http://www.box.net/shared/pohvuyl4kj

[alp]

Originally Posted by eman22

however are you talking about the guitar on its own or in a mix.....becasue frankly the sound in a mix (when heard in isolation) can be unpleasing.

When recording.....try on-mic and then double track off-mic and then blend to taste........

etc.....lots of tricks.....

Sir, you are absolutely right! I thought about your point and did some playing with some music playing in the background. Then i realized that until today i was giving more room to guitar sound than it was supposed to have (understandable i guess ). When i lowered guitar volume to the correct level, ON AXIS mic choice did the thing better. It just sounds more gentle in the mix and cuts through without masking other things. Thanks a lot for making me realize.

But i think i still find DYN57 model ON AXIS more harsh than it is supposed to be. And i still have trouble with most of the cab models. Maybe i'll get familiar with some of them in the future. Who knows.. every time i sit with 11R, things are improving little by little.. and i am already quite happy how my guitar recordings sound. (Still need to go some more way with this thing to replace my amp for live playing).

[MrEleven]

I totally agree that listening to the tracks in the context of the mix makes a big difference. I recently listened to the raw tracks from hundreds of songs, mostly taken from Guitar Hero and Rock Band, and I was amazed at how bright most of the guitar tracks were when listened to in isolation, or in some cases how dark they sounded. Of course, when mixed in with the backing tracks the guitar tracks sounded fantastic. I thought these Van Halen tracks were particularly interesting.

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic....347886#p347886