Any idea what % of folks using modelers play Metal?

[banjoze]

I wonder if the % is roughly the same as the # of guitar players who play metal.

Just curious based on # of clips posted at the Fractal site that are metal.

[james...]

Not as many as you would think.

Maybe 20%. Could be less.

[jdolll]

Really depends on the product, it seems like on the fractal forum that there's a lot more metal guys than anything else, just my perception though

[mpr]

According to Neilsen, in 2010, 66.6% of metal bands in Europe used at least one modeler in their signal chain for live settings. A decline of 8.4% from 2009, and 3.2% QoQ. Unfortunately, no US data is available.

[forum_crawler]

Doubtful that many professional metal players use modelers.

Megadeth uses modelers and Marshall EL34 poweramps, especifically a GSP1101 and an Axe Fx, but they still record using the real thing.

Personally, I don't think modelers are there yet but that may change once the Kemper goes in the market.

[rob2001]

Originally Posted by forum_crawler

Doubtful that many professional metal players use modelers.

Megadeth uses modelers and Marshall EL34 poweramps, especifically a GSP1101 and an Axe Fx, but they still record using the real thing.

Personally, I don't think modelers are there yet but that may change once the Kemper goes in the market.

What is this Kemper you speak of????

[Melodyman]

Originally Posted by james...

Not as many as you would think.

Maybe 20%. Could be less.

That 20% seems to appear overly representative on the various internet gear forums but then again I don't follow the modeler community that closely.

[guitarnet70]

Originally Posted by rob2001

What is this Kemper you speak of????

http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/rend...Redefined.html

[NickCormier]

I actually think a lot of metal bands use modellers, especially the Axe-FX.. In my opinion and from my experience, modellers do metal the best; its much easier for me to achieve a good Recto or Marshall tone than it is a very dynamic clean like a Mesa Lonestar or even a very good Deluxe..

You can tell when doing research on clips from the Axe-FX, there is barely any clean/funk/jazz/blues clips, its almost all metal chug chug stuff.

[Scott Peterson]

Originally Posted by NickCormier

You can tell when doing research on clips from the Axe-FX, there is barely any clean/funk/jazz/blues clips, its almost all metal chug chug stuff.

As an aside, the big knock for the first few *years* on Axe-FX clips was that they were all clean, U2 and so forth and there was no metal.

One conclusion now I think it is safe to assume is that metal guys enjoy and make a lot of clips.

[forum_crawler]

Originally Posted by NickCormier

You can tell when doing research on clips from the Axe-FX, there is barely any clean/funk/jazz/blues clips, its almost all metal chug chug stuff.

If you use the same logic then you would also assume that most guys who play Line 6 stuff are metal players, or rather, most metal players play Line 6 stuff which is just not the case.

Perhaps one should divide the demographic into two groups:

1. Those who play for fun, make videos, etc.
2. Those who tour and play metal for a living.

I think one would find that those belonging to (1) will be more partial to modelers. They tend to be cheaper than amps, they are easier to move around, etc, etc....

Those belonging to (2) who tour, who have people to carry their heavy gear, guitar techs, etc are more likely to use a tube amp as their main tone generators, and use modelers for effects, or modeling clean or low gain sounds.

Finally, there is another factor to consider: Some people just don't post videos of their gear. I find the youtube demographic to be fairly young and therefore more rock/metal inclined.

[NickCormier]

its unfortunate really.. Personally, that mid-gain funk tone is the one thing that I have trouble getting on the HD500, and havent seen any clips of it.. but kinda making me wonder about getting an Axe-FX to see if its possible yet theres no clips on youtube either of the axe-fx doing anything I like (jamiroquai, tower of power, incognito, etc)

so its a no brainer why people who are fans of lighter music dont want the Axe-FX or any modeller, its because theres no one who has really posted clips that are convincing/"drool-worthy" in that category.

[Elric]

Originally Posted by Scott Peterson

As an aside, the big knock for the first few *years* on Axe-FX clips was that they were all clean, U2 and so forth and there was no metal.

One conclusion now I think it is safe to assume is that metal guys enjoy and make a lot of clips.

Yup. The Axe sounded like crap for Metal in the early FWs, IMHO, then later it caught up in a big way. But, early, it was lambasted for its metal sounds.

But anyway, IMHO, as someone who loves the metal, metal is a great candidate for modeling. It relies heavily on preamp gain and tight power amp response and in some ways modeling is even better than traditional tube amplification in this regard because a modeler can do things the physical amp has trouble doing by design. In fact SS amps work well for metal for some players due to these same requirements (I can name some iconic metal guys who used SS amps for a large portion of their influential work).

So, it's no surprise that live, a lot of these guys are using modelers. The Meshuggah guys went modeling with the POD2 and have been using some form of modeler ever since.

I don't know how that translates into hard data at all, though. Lots of modeler guys, like myself, are older guys who want to do home recording or have quality cranked amp tone at low volumes or through headphones. These types of players are tone omnivores, since they are not playing professionally as career musicians even if they have a favored genre they may want a lot of variety. I know I do.

It's a GREAT time to be a player, tonewise.

[re-animator]

i think a lot of axe users play 80s rock, alternative etc. something that is conducive to heavy processing... not because you have to use axe for heavy processing, but because users with complicated setups would typically gravitate towards gear that is more flexible/capable of dealing with that stuff.

ergo, i think you will find many more petrucci-veined metal guys using them than people who play like hetfield.

[stratzrus]

Originally Posted by NickCormier

...that mid-gain funk tone is the one thing that I have trouble getting on the HD500, and havent seen any clips of it.. but kinda making me wonder about getting an Axe-FX to see if its possible yet theres no clips on youtube either of the axe-fx doing anything I like (jamiroquai, tower of power, incognito, etc)

so its a no brainer why people who are fans of lighter music dont want the Axe-FX or any modeller, its because theres no one who has really posted clips that are convincing/"drool-worthy" in that category.

I don't know that "no one" has produced decent clean or slightly overdriven clips, but they are clearly in the minority.

The Axe FX has no trouble with those tones and there are great examples if you seek them out. Here's one I found in couple of minutes on YouTube..





This was done a couple of years ago so it isn't even the latest firmware. Sounds pretty good to me.