11R into FX return of a tube or SS amp(modelling or any) or EXRP??

[radix]

I have pretty much confirmed FRFR is not what i want to amplify the 11R.
Into the return of the amp (off the cab sims) is pretty much i'm used to.

But now still turning and twisting over what should it be, a tube power or a SS power amp return?

I have tried the tweaker's return, no good. keep having to do endless EQ.
Have tried the TM60's return, somewhat getting my patches sounding good already, but there is a hum going on. Still have not sort it out.

So the general feelings is will a tube or a SS return be a better choice?

If tube works out better, i can go get a greatly discounted Spider Valve 112.
If SS is better, should i go and get another modelling amp (Mustang III) with a return or any SS amp will do (Marshall MG50FX for instance) ?

thought it'll be easy after i got the 11R, din expect have to consider so many things again. btw, have not got the EXRP, maybe with the PEQ is all i need for any power amp?
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[paulmapp8306]

Get a seperate Rack Power amp and a cab. I generally get much better results than using a physical combo.

SS/Valve is an issue. Valve generaly gives you a more familure sound - SS gives you a more accurate representation of whats comming our of the processor. Valve are big and heavey, SS are small and light (in general).

[alp]

I had good luck with TM60's effects loop return. All my direct patches are built around 4X12 Green25 cab model, and they transform very well when i plug in to the loop return on my TM60 and set the output on the 11R as "rig output, no cab". This way i am ok with minimal tweaking to use same patches, if i need to tweak any.

I didn't experienced any hum in this scenario. I would check cables, plugs, some electrical stuff to solve this issue.

Only thing i have tried as a FRFR solution is an M-Audio GSR12 active speaker, and while it is rated at 300watts, TM60 destroys it, dances all over it with it's only 60 SS watts. GSR12 gave me a cold feet about FRFR solutions. TM60 is loud as i would ever need, sounds good, light and easy to transport.

[guitarnet70]

I would try also the Traynor keyboard amplifier, quite a few Axe users are happy with it. I use sometimes an old Marshall Keyboard Amp and is actually quite good

[weshunter]

i get great tones from my velocity 300>1x12 cabinet w/an eminence delta pro in it.

[rcl]

another velo 300 user here. Use it with both the 11r AND the Ultra, and it is a great unit.

[radix]

thank you guys for chipping in.
yes, as i say, i'm getting good results with the TM60 as well, just need to sort out the hum issue (posting at the technical session actually getting some help from the horse mouth )
but if the hum stays, i'll need somthing else (g.a.s. again!)

well , looks like general we are all getting along with SS power amp , the FRFR and tube power amp are the least preferred so far.

i think tube power amp will be in the ring again if they somehow have a firmware upgrade that can separate the pre-post amp blocks, think so?
'cause the Spider Valve 112(bogner or not) looks very tempting at about US$450 new.but the Msutang III looks like my top choice now.

but..(there's always a but, isn't it) , i'm gonna give the EXRP a go, cheapest option i suppose, hope i can work out with the Tweaker's return with the PEQ, and as a bonus, i'll get the extra amps and effects!

[radix]

Originally Posted by alp

I had good luck with TM60's effects loop return. All my direct patches are built around 4X12 Green25 cab model, and they transform very well when i plug in to the loop return on my TM60 and set the output on the 11R as "rig output, no cab". This way i am ok with minimal tweaking to use same patches, if i need to tweak any.

I didn't experienced any hum in this scenario. I would check cables, plugs, some electrical stuff to solve this issue.

Only thing i have tried as a FRFR solution is an M-Audio GSR12 active speaker, and while it is rated at 300watts, TM60 destroys it, dances all over it with it's only 60 SS watts. GSR12 gave me a cold feet about FRFR solutions. TM60 is loud as i would ever need, sounds good, light and easy to transport.

cool tip, noted! have not thought of tweaking the direct patches and hoping it'll sound the same thru a cab. always thought they are two different animals. now you mentioned, gotta give it a try!

[radix]

Originally Posted by guitarnet70

I would try also the Traynor keyboard amplifier, quite a few Axe users are happy with it. I use sometimes an old Marshall Keyboard Amp and is actually quite good

hmm..more options. but a good one neverther less. will consider that as well..

[alp]

Originally Posted by radix

cool tip, noted! have not thought of tweaking the direct patches and hoping it'll sound the same thru a cab. always thought they are two different animals. now you mentioned, gotta give it a try!

They are not totally identical, but the good patches i have tweaked through Yamaha HS80 monitors are generally also sound good through the return of TM60 when cab and mics are bypassed. I'll also stress that all my overdriven, distorted patches feature 4x12 Green 25W cab model and various OFF AXIS mic selections. TM60's effects return kinda puts back that tonal behavior. Then a little EQ tweak on Amp parameters or graphical EQ parameters would get you there. Hope this will help.

[jrockbridge]

In general, I think you'll want a lot of headroom to get the best result. 50 watts of tube power will usually provide decent headroom. For SS, I'd want at least 150 watts of power.

[sixesandsevens]

Sadly, the 11R isn't really made to run as a preamp since there's no way to get the "right" signal - a pre-amp out (disables mic, speaker, and power amp). I sure hope that they address that in an update.

As a result, I'd try the FRFR thing before you give up on it because it's not what you're used to. The 11R isn't what you're used to either.

But given the choice between tube and solid state power, I'd err on the side of solid state since it's likely to have less coloration (already forcibly added by the 11R power amp sim).

Lastly, the ERXP changed my whole impression of the unit, so I'd recommend you start there and see where it takes you.

Best of luck!