1952 ES-295 Color Question - (need gold paint opinion)

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  1. opdev

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    I just picked up this 1952 ES-295 and it has a yellow/green color that does not look like the typical gold finish I've seen.

    It has alot of finish checking and the original owner assumed it's original finish. Sometimes it photographs looking lgold, but for the most part it visually looks like the pix below?

    The finish checking could be from environmental conditions but would an unmolested finish age to that color?

    The headstock face black lights properly (like my '54 ES-175). It's hard to tell on the body since the color interferes with the typical greenish glow so it's hard for me to tell if it's glowing. My other 50's ES are sunburst and it's easy to see their original finish under BL.

    The knobs are not original (don't blacklight like my other 50's Gibson knobs and also, the tuners look too clean (although the original owner purchased this 20 years ago).

    Any Gibson gold experts that can weigh in will be appreciated. I can return it if it turns out to be non-original finish

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  2. sws1

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    Unless, the camera is reacting poorly with the florescent lights, that color doesn't look right at all.
     
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    Samples...these all look similar. And not like yours.

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    This "one pic" I took looks sorta normal. But under flourescent it looks weird

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    Would you be able to get a photo of it outdoors to rule out any aspects of lighting having an influence?

    Very yellowed top coats can do weird things to original colours but I agree, there's something a bit off.

    Could @jumping@shadows help?
     
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    Here are some outside shots. The finish seems to be very thick over the gold so something went down.... But just for completeness.

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    Yeah, it doesn't quite look right, does it?

    It looks like there's mahogany grain showing through on the back of the headstock which on a 60s guitar where I'd be more in my comfort zone that's something that would make me think refin. I wouldn't like to call it on a 50 gold painted guitar, I just haven't seen enough of them, but I do feel like there are red flags going up.

    Pretty sure there are a few people on here that will be able to do better that I have with it though!
     
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  8. Captain Blood

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    I can't tell much from the pictures,but maybe someone in a misguided attempt to save a cracking gold finish put several coats of clear or amber over it many years ago, You'd still have your crackle but the clear, as it ambered would change the colour of the gold underneath. I thought green was normal in these guitars, the 'gold' component in the colour, like verdigris ,tarnishing. Your binding looks very ambered too. Often on an older guitar the edges of the binding look white as they take the wear and loose their finish, could be another sign of a top coat or a ridiculously well-cared for instrument. Regardless, it is certainly still a very attractive guitar. Fluorescents do weird things, LEDS are even worse. Look at the amber paint on this guitar..greenish yellow cast look familiar?[​IMG]
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    the color of the binding makes me think that a tinted clear was oversprayed on to this guitar. Still, 295's are pretty cool.
     
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    Look at the A-tuner, on the back. Looks like something was sprayed over something else.

    Oh - And black lighting means nothing. The frauds all know how to fake that. Hell...even I know how it's done.

    With a solid color color guitar, it's much easier to cover up a neck repair that it is with exposed grain.
     
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    If you look at how yellow the binding is, that could cause the Gold to look like that. Whether the yellowing is natural or overspray is something another thing.
     
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    Upon further inspection , there really does seem to be a thick poly coat of something over the gold. The gold is "under" this thick layer. The guitar is awesome but I paid "original finish" price for it. The seller has agreed to a return.

    Too bad because it's a great playing / sounding guitar.
     
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  13. Captain Blood

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    Why dont' you just get him to send you some money back to reflect the potential devaluing. If it's great playing and sounding and you can get a decent discount, who cares about how original it is. It's still a 1952 ES-295. Scotty Moore Played one of those, and Geordie from Killing Joke still plays one. Just means all the gold won't flake off on you down the road.
     
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    The seller offered a full refund if I'm not happy and will try to sell again without lowering the price. The price was maybe 20% under market for a non-refin.

    It's a great guitar but I know I can find an all original for the same ballpark. Refins can be great players but I'm a stickler for originality.
     
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    I also think the the original finish would show wear on the neck.
     
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    I'm probably WAY too late, but consider negotiating for a greatly reduced purchase price and playng 'as is' or having it corrected yourself? I sold mine in the mid-80s due to Fed taxes and I regret it all the time.
     
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    It is not unusual for an original 50's Gibson gold finish to be really thick, especially for an "all gold" model. That said, the color does not look right. And the tuners do not look right, so if those are represented as original, I would be wondering about the rest.
     

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