1960 les paul reissue?

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  1. bobbypols

    bobbypols Member

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    Can anyone tell me about these?

    I m going to look at one soon. The owner says he bought it 6 years ago for new for $2600, and is selling it $1500 CAD. Is it weight reliefed or chambered? How do I know its a real deal? The pick up dont have covers on them. Clearly, its not the R0, as those seem to be much more expensive. Any help is appreciated, and as always i will try before i buy.
     
  2. Blue Fin

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    Maybe it's a Les Paul Classic Reissue since it seems to be in that price range. Certainly not an R0.
     
  3. fenderfreak

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    should be a gibson classic with the 496 & 500 PUs.

    check serial number. 6 years back if he bought it brand new from retail it should be a 2002/2003 model. serial number should go like 2 XXXX with the first number being the last digit of the year of production.

    but there are other things to look out for. headstock shape. body contours. logos. finishing.
     
  4. jmp

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    Sounds like you will be looking at a Les Paul "Classic" which Gibson has made in one form or another since about 1990. It is sometimes referred to as a "1960 reissue" because the neck profile is a thin early 60's style and not the thicker, more rounded '59 profile found on most Standards. If the pickguard is original it should have "1960" embossed in gold along the inner edge. Also the headstock will have a "Les Paul Classic" silk screen, whereas most Les Paul Standards (and Classics made pre-'93) will say "Les Paul Model". The truss rod cover may also say "Classic." The trapezoid inlays on the neck are aged and have a yellowish-green tint to them to make them appear old. The pickups are high output ceramic models and do not have covers. Most Classics have a plain maple top, although there have been runs of "Premium" and "Premium Plus" versions that had varying degrees of flame.

    I used to own a '93 Classic Premium Plus. It was very lightweight and resonant. Once I replaced the ceramic pickups for some PAF replicas (Duncan Antiquities) it became a superb guitar. I sold it when I bought my R8, but truthfully I can't say my R8 is any better than the Classic was.

    Price sounds reasonable to me.
     
  5. English Jim

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    6 years ago a Classic sold for more like $1600 than $2600.
     
  6. highrise

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    Fixed it fer ya. :hide


    If it says Les Paul Classic...it's a classic...unless it's pre '93 (serial 1 or 2 or 3 then xxxx) then it'll say Les Paul Model....just like the R0's

    Get a pic of the serial and the front of the headstock. and the body.
     
  7. axe4me

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    Also, pre Oct. 1993 Les Paul Classic's had thin binding in the cutaway.
    My 1992 Les Paul Classic Plus.....

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  8. axe4me

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    Here's my other 1992 Les Paul Classic Plus.
    Gibson didn't drill for a pickguard.
    It's not a "Burst lover's" LP because the grain is all swirly with a mixture of flame; quilt and clouds. Sort of "schzitzo grain":messedup
    The armrest area is the grain and not darkened from my forearm.

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  9. highrise

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    Funny. Here's my '92 Les Paul Classic Plus.

    BB, yours have nicer tops...and are members of a much nicer collection. When are you gonna let it all hang out and do a big thread?
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  10. axe4me

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    I'm hoping to take some new group shots of the entire stash soon.
     
  11. cswanston

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    With the exception of the tobacco burst, these are all "Model Logo" Classics (93 and earlier). The cherry burst in the foeground is a "Premium Plus." The others are graded only "Plus." They are great guitars.
     
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    All but 2 of these are Classics. The black is a GOW Custom Classic. The rest are "Model Logo" Classics (93 and earlier). They are all light and play very well. One thing that is apparent from looking at them is that the inlays are not the same green color as the inlays in the later Classics. There's only a touch of green hue in them that might be brought out more in a photo. Also, they have thin binding in the cutaway.
     
  13. cswanston

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    Gibsons (sorry, but I finally figured out how to post photos and I'm getting a little carrier away)

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  14. highrise

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    keep going dude!!!
     
  15. cswanston

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    I love the top. Have you ever pulled the pickups and checked for different markings in the cavities? It's suprising what you mgiht find in there. I think this top is fantastic. The tops that are slightly irregular have an organic look to them that makes them really cool.
     
  16. Donbo

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    So, Gentlemen, I need some help... yesterday, I found a very mint-ish one of these in a little out-of-the-way guitar store also, in like-new condition, with the 1960 in gold on the pickguard, and "Classic" on the truss rod cover, but didn't get photos of the serial #, nor take note of "LP Classic" or "LP Model" script on headstock...I can call on Monday to get that info...but figured I would've noticed the difference and that would've caught my eye ( didn't know the difference until I read this thread--I'm certainly no LP specialist ). No pickup covers. Seriously, there was not one bit of buckle rash or anything on this specimen. It was really, really light for a LP vs. my only real comparisons--a 70's LP Custom, and another bud's mid-80's LP Std (w/a Khaler!!). It has a Cherry sunburst plain top, but with some really nice grain and a few tiny knot-type marks for character, about the size of a No.2 pencil lead :D. I played it but did not plug it in. Played great, didn't really get a take on the resonance, but was a great guitar. They didn't know if it was chambered or not, and I am wondering...were these chambered? The price was $1750 and looked like a place that would negotiate.
    So, with the limited info I have,
    A) what era is this LP Classic 1960
    B) What are your thoughts on the price, all points (listed) considered?
    C) I have never owned a LP. Would this be a potentially great guitar for a decent/neg'bl LP price for a typical Fender guy to have in the arsenal? I'm not spending $2k to $4k and up.
     
  17. charveldan

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    Serial's on "Classic's" don't have "made in USA" and the first [2] numbers are the year.........mine an 05'.

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    These guitars are excellently crafted and have a fast, comfy 60's neck, I replaced the pick-ups with Seymours SH-5 bridge, and 59' neck, other than that they are weight relived [swiss cheesed] but mine at 9.2lbs would be uncomfortable if it were any heavier.

    I paid $1700.00 2 years ago and glad to do it, plus they have discontinued the "Classic" model so they will probably go up in value.:beer

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    I have Graphtech saddles on my bridge & Historic aluminum lightweight tailpiece, one piece Honduras Mahogany body, 3 piece neck, [neck is all one piece except for "wings" on headstock see 1st photo.

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  18. Donbo

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    Thanks, Charveldan...your photos are perfect, and your post is very helpful. Did your pickguard have "1960" in gold on it originally?
     
  19. Tim Plains

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    bobbypols, if it's a 2007 or newer, it's chambered.
    Anything older than that is weight-relieved (swiss cheese holes).
    The only solid ones Gibson still makes are the historic reissues.
     
  20. Gasp100

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    Wow, now THAT is a cool collection! Love that pic, computer wallpaper worthy for sure. What's the pedal in the shape of a giant foot?
     

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