1x12 to 2x12 - what's a good companion for an M75 PVC?

[Billy1234]

TDPRI Member
Hi all,

I have a bassbreaker 15 head with 112 Avatar cab that I'm loving. After trying the vtype speaker, an EVM12L and crex, I bought a scumback M75 PVC 65 watter and it's just an awesome fit. I'm digging it so much that I just want more of it (not volume, just more of this vibe) and am looking at going to a 212 Avatar cab (I heard going from 112 to 212 is a huge change in the openness / depth of your sound - not louder, just bigger) but aren't sure what I should pair the M75 PVC with? I love it's sound - plenty of highs on tap without being too harsh, I guess if I could add something, maybe just a touch more low end as long as it's clear and not mushy like the Crex was. I play a telecaster mainly and a few strats, mainly blues, classic rock and some hard rock occasionally - going for the 60's vintage sound. Is it worth getting something to compliment the M75 PVC or just get another M75 PVC? Thanks all...

 

[Buckeyedog]

J75 PVC 65 watt. Done.

 

[Rod]

J75 PVC 65 watt. Done.

This........

 

[Teleplayer]

Or if you are using a low wattage amp (i.e., 20 watts), get a 2x12 loaded with Scumbacks that have real PVCs. the 65 watter has a Nomex voice coil, I believe. All of Jim's speakers rock like a mutha; but I'd LOVE to try a couple of his speakers with real PVCs.

 

[Rumble5]

Try pairing it with the same type of speaker except one with a 55 hz cone. It will add a little thickness and creaminess. With two of them it will provide plenty of low end. But if it's just bass that you want, then go for something with a heavier magnet (which also means it will likely be more efficient- louder- as well).

 

[jimijimmyjeffy]

You could add an m55 pvc. I use that combo with me strat and avatar 212. Liked it better than 2 m75s due to the strat single coils. Except I use the 65 watters to keep them from catching fire. But i like the pvc's best if you won't blow them up. Mine are regulars.

Also your amp is slightly scooped and will benefit from the tremendous mids my combo provides.

 

[jimijimmyjeffy]

Or if you are using a low wattage amp (i.e., 20 watts), get a 2x12 loaded with Scumbacks that have real PVCs. the 65 watter has a Nomex voice coil, I believe. All of Jim's speakers rock like a mutha; but I'd LOVE to try a couple of his speakers with real PVCs.

I am skeptical of the "fake" nomex pvcs. The real ones seem like heaven.

 

[Teleplayer]

I am skeptical of the "fake" nomex pvcs. The real ones seem like heaven.

Are ou saying you are skeptical of the 65 watters that are still carry a "PVC" designation - or that you are skeptical of the 20-25 watters using real PVCs?

 

[Tony-Cliffton]

A scumnico would be a great pairing imo.

 

[Guinness Lad]

J75 PVC 65 watt. Done.

No. H75 FTW.

 

[Billy1234]

I think H75 would be to much treble, Im already plenty bright, plenty of high end. M75 sounds interesting or J.

I dont need a ton of bass like evm or cannabis rex had, it was more if I had to choose a freq to boost just a tad, itd be the low end / low mids and then any extra mid complexities I can add would be awesome obviously.

The ultimate goal is as close as I can push my b15 to a jtm45 sound like at 22:50 in this video (yeah yeah I know, totally different beast - fun to push my fender as close as I can, the bb is a fun hybrid)

 

[jimijimmyjeffy]

Are ou saying you are skeptical of the 65 watters that are still carry a "PVC" designation - or that you are skeptical of the 20-25 watters using real PVCs?

the former. Jim did his best but probably not the same sound.

 

[Teleplayer]

the former. Jim did his best but probably not the same sound.

Yeah; the 65 watters sound really nice. Would still like to hear his true PVC speakers.

 

[Billy1234]

Could I mix a 20 watt M75 PVC with real paper voice coil with my M75 PVC 65 watt I wonder? Could be the ultimate combination...

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Just to clarify the voice coil former questions.

The KRAFT paper voice coils are built like the old ones from the 60's, and they don't handle more than 25w of power due them not having a high heat treatment like the nomex voice coils. Due to their KRAFT paper former, they can't be baked to as high a power handling as the nomex paper voice coil.

According to my clients who have both, though, the KRAFT PVC speakers have a little more bass (it's a small amount) than the nomex voice coil speakers. Of course, since they're low power, you need more of them (4 20/25w KRAFT PVC for a 50w amp, and 8 for a 100w amp) to handle the same power.

The majority of my PVC sales are the 65w, mostly due to power handling being higher, and they sound VERY close to the KRAFT coils.

As for Billy1234's question, an M55/M75-PVC mix would be great for both single and humbucker guitars if you needed a little more low end, and a bit wider midrange response.

The M75/J75-PVC mix would have more bass than above, a little tighter bass, and a touch more upper mids.

Hope that helps!

Glad to hear the M75-PVC 65w is kicing butt for you Billy1234. Thanks for the very kind words on my speaker builds!

 

[coldengray]

You can't beat the H + M combo IMO

 

[Scumback Speakers]

You can't beat the H + M combo IMO

Also a great mix.

 

[big mike]

I'm going to be the difficult guy and say I'd likely pair an H55 bass cone. No extra high end or mid, but a good solid low end added to the beauty of the M75. (my favorite speaker)

 

[Pelagic]

FWIW, I preferred the J + M over the H + M. Felt the H overwhelmed the M a bit and the M is my favorite speaker.

 

[Buckeyedog]

FWIW, I preferred the J + M over the H + M. Felt the H overwhelmed the M a bit and the M is my favorite speaker.

Agree