3 Billion Fewer Wild Birds Than 1970

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  1. bluwoodsman

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    In some cases just about exactly the same way they do today. The Nationwide breeding bird survey was begun in the 60's if I recall correctly. I'll check...
     
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    How did they count the birds?
     
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    For the BBS:
    25 mile transects, stops about every 1/2mile, run during the breeding season, in the morning when birds are most active and vocal. Survey locations chosen to represent the range of habitat quality. Run year after year in the same place unless something major regarding safety or ability to hear along the routes change.

    Count birds sighted and those they hear from each stop. Surveyers are trained-and/or are required to pass visual and auditory (bird song) tests, I believe.
     
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    In over 100 posts on the topic of a bird survey, the OP and others have managed to broach global warming, global cooling, "science deniers," biodiversity losses of catastrophic levels (false), the use of pesticides and their effects on several prey birds, the downfall of the Sage Grouse, the fate and prevalence of the Turkey Vulture, the Bald Eagle, illegal poaching, human encroachment, environmental toxins and habitat displacement, and even plastic rain. One guy even summed it all up by lamenting that it comes from "having humans involved." (1. we're not in charge and 2. who would you rather be in charge? Eels?) I'm sure I've missed a pet issue or two here, this is just off the top of my head.

    In terms of environmental advocacy, I'd say the OP has hit a grand slam in pushing political issues that, by definition defy a "consensus opinion." And, how bout that, he even agrees with me:

    So I'd say you need no help from me in "shoehorning" politics into this thread. It's infected by it. You've elbowed your way into a few conversations that I've been a party to and as I recall, its always in the service of one sentence trolling remarks. It'd be nice to hear a less guarded post from you that lasts longer than a snide remark in passing.
     
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    So based on this do you assume that the earths climate should never change?

    We have so much data that it has always changed. Why are people so surprised that isn’t does.
     
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    Hopefully you're in the shorts are OK on stage camp...That's pretty warm, but you are in Texas.
     
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    Fixed it for you. Put a bell on that cat. They are ruthless predators.
     
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    So, here’s the thing. The acid rain was real, the problem was taken seriously and lots of things changed for the better to rectify it.
    How does that make a mockery of concerns about ecological problems that are also real ?
    Have a look at pics of European cities in the 70’s. The buildings were all filthy, cars everywhere, power lines, ugly.
    Now all clean and sparkly, lots of car free spaces, bicycles are proliferating, ugly poles strung with wires gone.
     
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    But I know... it’s my own damn fault
     
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    But he could no longer sneak up on mice, moles, ground squirrels, rabbits....
    And you can "fix" that back.
     
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    Consider the 'canary in the coal mine' argument. If a 3rd of anything had died off..people, bees, cats, dogs, fish, most would ask 'why' and worry about a danger that might lurk ahead. The argument that cats can predate on animals to this level, that have the ability to sit in a tree and fly away is silly and seriously 'anti cat'. The reasons are more likely reduction of food supply(insects/bees), pesticides, extreme cold/heat, declining fresh water sources, and increasing human encroachment into the natural habitat. While this will probably be lumped into 'Global Warming', the reality is that birds, like fish are pillars of the ecosystem..less birds, less fish, less fresh water, less clean air, all of which is raising more then idle curiosity among those who's business is forward looking.
     
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    Any more bickering, forcing politics into it or general breaking or rule #1 and the thread will be closed, after warnings are issued. Or concurrently whatever.
     
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    Ok.
    EVERYTHING has a shelf life.
     

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