65 London soars with Marigo Power Cord!!!

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  1. 57gold

    57gold Silver Supporting Member

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    New 65 Amp for my birthday...a head that I play through either an old, smooth tolex Vox 2X12 with orig. cone Blues or an Avatar 2X12 with open back port and Red Fangs.

    Liking the Avatar better with 65!

    Stock tubes sounded very good...a little buzzines when pushed hard...NOS Mullards EL84s and 12AX& with a Brimar CV4004 and a Philips made in UK (Mullard) in P/I...clearer, less chimey, more sustain and smoother breakup...gotta love the click channel...AC 30 on steroids!!!!

    Now, switched out stock power cord...kinda thin and wimpy piece of cable...used a Marigo cable with heavy duty connectors and solid core wire with damping and shielding...same cable reccommended by all tube stereo preamp to the stars...$8K for a volume control, a switch and some gain...preamp maker says cord gets cleanest, 3d images, sweeter highs and more controlled lows...

    Like adding 15-20% more of everything...low end more powerful and less loose, mids more prominent, highs clearer and louder but less grain...at lower, clean volume level you can hear more string to string definition...more of the guitar's acoustic sound...more wood...played my 1959 ES335 and 1957 Strat and heard more of what I paid for...very similar results with this power cord and Komet 60 #8...I guessing that the power cord impacts the power supply of the amp in a way that makes it deliver cleaner power...its not subtle!!!
     
  2. flume

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    ahem...

    it's late...and I've had a few Stella Artois....

    but...

    did you just say $8k for a power cord?

    {insert sound of kettle drum here___}
     
  3. sparkle**

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    What is the tube layout for the 65 amp?
     
  4. Dave LaP

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    LOL.
     
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    I'll try to keep an open mind on this. My mind at first rebels.....
     
  6. 57gold

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    flume: very late, $8+K for the SOTA tube preamp!

    sparkle**: Power - Matched Premium EL84's.
    · Preamp - Premium EF86 & 12AX7.
    · Phase inverter - Premium 12AX7.
    · Sovtek 6CA4/EZ81.

    Echoplex: Already owned the cord, available for $150 used. Would I spend $150, the price of a mid priced effect, to make a $2,100 amp with $250 of NOS tubes perform in an improved fashion as I have described; yup!

    I think any idiot with ears and a job would, once hearing the improvement, get on audiogon.com and buy one. The addition of this tool fundamentally enhances the tonality, responsiveness and the depth and complexity of this great tone machine. More of all of the good stuff!
     
  7. Dave LaP

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    57,

    I went to some reviews of the marigold power cord and the reviews were positive for stereo equipment.

    I read over it quickly and it sounds like the idea behind the cord is to filter out the "garbage" inherent in most power through cord design.

    Just out of curiosity, do you know if they offer a return on the cord if you don't like it? That would make the decision to buy one pretty simple. A/B it with your current cord and voila.....a decision.

    Glad your enjoying your 65. It's a great amp.
     
  8. flume

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    The clarity of morning has lifted my brainfog and your reply is illuminating.

    No criticism intended of the power cord--just wanted to know the details. If it yields tone benefits, by all means, I'm for it.

    And now....

    ...coma relapse.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
     
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    Snif........Snif........

    Uh oh, I smell another sh*tstorm a brewin.
     
  10. 57gold

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    http://www.fatwyre.com/ the cable co. has used cables and a lending library for trial....that's how I bought my cables for hi fi.

    Marigo, also ships and gives trials.

    Audiogon.com , sometimes the seller will give a 48 hour approval.

    Local stereo shops have demos, sometimes.

    Another cable that does good things for tube guitar amps is the Synergistic Master Coupler...I lent one to a friend with a Univalve and he was floored by the increase in perceived power, control, clarity and overall sweetness of tone versus stock cable.

    I can hear the squacking, already....how can 6" of heavy wire and well built plugs make ant difference?....miles of cable comes to your house, yards inside your house...as long as the cable is adequate....it brings the juice to the amp....blah...blah...blah...

    I have great, simple music system at home: cd player; mono tube amps (250 watts w/8 KT88s and 6 drivers 6922s per side) into full range speakers. Tried 8 power cords on amps...17 year old son with great ears and I could describe the changes from model to model...each altered the frequency response...some more bass...some made cymbals sound more like real cymbals....some made the sound more dynamic whilst others softened impacts of drums and other percussion....got $5K retail in 3 power cords for cd player and amps; paid half used....this isn't subtle.

    Halcro, the maker of the most technologically advanced, low distortion solid state amps for hi fi ($25,000 a pair) recommends a specific maker's power cords to get the most from their equipment...same cord used by recording studios, movie studios...oh, yeah they all blow $$$ because they are neurotic!!!

    Suckers, right!!!

    The world is flat...because that's what my experience tells me...
     
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    I use a big heavy gauge power cord(and speaker cable) on my Alessandro Redbone Coonhound. I can tell the difference. It was only $25. Evidence makes power cables(as well as speaker and guitar cables) that received positive reviews in Tonequest. If you can hear a difference, and tone is important to you, quest on.
     
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    Don't forget to call the power company and get them to replace the wiring in your walls, to the telephone pole, etc.

    These and many other kinds of "audio-perfection devices" consistently fail double-blind (ABX) tests where neither the person conducting the test or the listener knows which cable is used.

    Expectations can and will override objectivity.

    I used to sell high end audio and this is what we found over and over again.
     
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    KLB: so Halcro, Lamm Industries, Wilson, BAT, Edge Electronics, Verity, ART Audio and Musical Fidelity use, endorse a brand of specialty cables because they are deluded into thinking that they sound better???

    It's a plot...all audio people are in on it...make up products to swindle stupid audiophile nerds...
     
  15. Scott Peterson

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    What I would like to hear is how the higher end power cables A/B against a Filtered Power Regulator.

    It just seems to me if you clean up the source you make the cable redundent.

    Now saying that, if the $250 power cable does what my Furman AR-1215/Furman PL-8 does (the combo of both Furman pieces for appx. $400 used) then it is indeed a savings; but does it protect against spikes and brownouts?

    Keeping in mind the AR-1215 is not totally top notch at its game (+/- 5v to get it to kick in).

    Not a flame, just a legitimate question that has *always* struck me when this topic hits.
     
  16. DestroyAllGuitars

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    The best fix, would be to buy a decent power conditioner
    and then, multiple amps will get the benefit of clean, balanced
    power. These units will outperform any cable by a long long
    ways. I have built several studios from the ground up, and yes,
    believe it or not there are certainly cables that are better than others but if you really want to hear a dramatic improvement
    in your amps sound, a good balanced power conditioner can't
    be beat. The best are Equitech (pro and industrial grade) &
    Furman (consumer grade). You can't go wrong either way.
    For 500 dollars will get a lot more benefit and sound improvement
    with a conditioner. You will want to use a standard AC cord
    with these units as anything in the path that tries to filter
    or rebalance the power will undo the work that the initial
    conditioner has done.
     
  17. Scott Peterson

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    CliffC,

    Beat you by a minute. :D
     
  18. DestroyAllGuitars

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    Scott,

    Great minds think alike, so can anyone explain what happend here?
     
  19. trisonic

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    I need some power conditioning help......here's an example.
    My Boogie is always plugged into the same outlet in my music room. The cleans started to get noisy - I ran thru all the usual checks and balances to no avail. I took it to Jimmy Somma who did a very thorough check (the amp's about 13 years old) absolutely nothing wrong with the amp, he just cleaned one volume control and tightened up an input. Played it, sounded great. Took it home - same issues. Plugged it into different circuit, perfect.

    So what do I need?

    Best, Pete.
     
  20. Dave LaP

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    I was wondering the same thing....
     

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