74 lespaul specs?

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  1. joolzriff

    joolzriff Member

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    what were the original knobs on a 74/75 lespaul?
    were they gold or black top hat knobs??
     
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    I got a 74 Custom and I am pretty sure it came with gold top hats to go with the gold hardware.

    not sure about non customs though.

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    thanx for that,yeah its a white lespaul custom....
    now to find some knobs!!! thankyou
     
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    Depends on the finish - I think black or white Customs came with black knobs with gold inserts. I also believe they were supposed to match the pickup rings - black rings/black knobs, creme rings/gold knobs. My CSB Deluxe came with gold/gold...
     
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    They also came with those pancake Norlin bodies too from what I remember :rolleyes:
     
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    whats this sandwich/norlin body you guys are on a bout??
    and whats wrong w/ them>
    cheers
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  7. John Phillips

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    On a lot of 70s Les Pauls, the body is not one piece of mahogany with a maple cap - it's three layers of mahogany, laminated horizontally... two thick and one very thin in the middle with the grain running at right-angles across the body (sometimes mistaken for maple since the opposite grain catches the light and looks paler). It was done either because Gibson couldn't get the right quality of mahogany in thick enough pieces, or to stop warping of improperly dried wood... or some other cheapskate excuse for not doing the job properly ;). You can see it clearly on natural-back (eg goldtop) or sunburst models.

    There's probably nothing really wrong with it from a structural point of view, but there's some evidence it affects the tone (although there are a few good-sounding examples with it, there are also a lot of bad ones), and it just looks cheap.

    This is also the time when the neck was changed to three-piece laminated mahogany - to stop warping and try to reduce headstock breaks, neither of which it really did, and it affects the tone too - and eventually to three-piece maple, which did help the breakage problem but massively alters the tone.

    ... and when the headstocks on all Les Pauls other than the Custom were made wider, a little at first but eventually to the full Custom width on all the models, which without the Custom's binding just makes them look like boat paddles.
     
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    you are very informative! thankyou very much
    j
     
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    The pancake was only around from about '71-'75 or '76 - my '78 Deluxe has a solid one-piece Mahogany back (and a nice one at that). The bummer is the three-piece Maple top...

    And FWIW - the three-piece necks are Maple, not Mahogany...
     
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    Not all of them, only the later ones - from when they were introduced ('70 I think) until around '75 they're mahogany.

    Some other models seemed to change over sooner - a friend of mine recently had a '74 ES-335 with a maple neck.
     
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    Agreed.

    Check out this pic of the '72 ES-345 in the Emporium:
    http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94909

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    I stand corrected - thanks!

    I think these are great guitars for the money - my Deluxe is a real keeper...
     
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    yes fo rthe money,mine sounds absolutly fat! and i paid $550.00 for it last week and there is nothing wrong w/ her,guy in a shop told me it was maybe worth $1800.....who knows
     
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    +2. My '74 335 is the same way.


    kev
     
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    I have a 74 Custom with a solid body. It does, however, have a 3-piece maple top though... Sounds good to me! :)
     

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