A new spin on the Sammy VS DLR Van Halen debate?

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  1. RolandKorg

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    Firstly, for anyone saying Hagar is a ‘better singer,’ that’s like saying the technical American idol kids are ‘better’ than Mick, Sade or Pj Harvey. Technically, sure—whatever. Doesn’t count.

    Hagar is pure cheese. Might be a dynamite guy, but nobody wanted to be Sammy Hagar. Every 80s metal singer was doing a Dave impression.

    Dave wrote great lyrics and his bizarre set of influences were critical toward focusing Eddie’s talents.

    And as much as Dave played that ‘rock idol/sex symbol’ role, I didn’t know any women at the time who were into Van Halen. It was irrelevant.
     
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    I wrote a response but then decided it made more sense in context if it was typeset in dingbats

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    What Sammy has going for him, I think, is that he just seemed likable, cheese and all. But DLR had the bad boy thing. He was Diamond Dave, and it was over the top cheese, but it was all Big Bad Dave, all the time. Eddie wasn't the Nuge (thank gawd). He needed the enigmatic, flashy, and gregarious front man. Sammy is a good front man. But he ain't DLR. There are few DLRs (again, thank gawd).

    I like DLR's voice way more than Sammy's. I think there's no contest. When other musicians say they think DLR is a horrible singer, I'm like WTF. So he's inconsistent live? So was Robert Plant. Sheesh.
     
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    Yes I do think they would have. But at the same time, there never would have been a 5150.... Part of the reason Ed started creating all that keyboard type stuff was in spite of DLR and Ted (producer).... I love the band and I'm glad history played out like it did 78-95...
     
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    The whole hosting thing is a pita. Ive done it but its lame.
     
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  6. MrSteve

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    TL/DR
     
  7. MrSteve

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    DLR was the driving ambition in VH. Eddie was content just to gig and okay guitar. DLR didn't want to be a rockstar; he was a rockstar and spurred the other guys to be rockstar. He drove the band to promote themselves. Henry Rollins said that when he saw VH open for Nuge, DLR seemed to have forgotten he was in the opening band and acted like he owned the place This is what drive VH to the heights they hit. They wouldn't have been put into a position where Ted would have considered replacing Roth with Hagar because Ted probably wouldn't have been aware of VH, let alone making records with them.
     
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    I think even Eddie said in an interview once "Sammy, 'ooh, ow, ugh, hey' aren't lyrics."
    Dave FTW.

    There's no denying the Sammy-era put out some great songs, but 5150 thru Balance aren't nearly as revered as VH I, II, Women/Children, Fair Warning (probably the pinnacle of Eddie's tone) or 1984.
     
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    can't agree with this. while many hair metal bands had a guitar player doing an Eddie impersonation the only thing most of those bands took from Dave was his over the top frontman thing not his voice. i'd also have to point out that VH cited Montrose as an influence and that was with Sammy. more than one critic pointed out the similarity between the first Montrose album and the first VH album. sure Eddie had way more flash than Ronnie (at least on album, live Ronnie did tear it up which always made me wonder why he held back so much on those early albums)

    as for "no one wanted to be Sammy" have you ever listened to Y & T?
     
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    EVH Never rocked this hard ...with a Theremin.
    Montrose' version of Jimmy Page/Robert Plant.
    Just sayin'...

     
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    All other things being equal, Ted would have been aware, as he was a staff producer for Warner Bros Records.
    That’s how Ed wound up playing on the Nicolette Larson record.

    Alex Van Halen said in an interview, aired on MTV during the early days of the 5150 tour as part of a special bio of the band, that “the powers that be” wanted Hagar in lieu of Roth.
    Those “powers” have since been identified as Ted Templeman.
    How much traction that idea garnered is unknown.

    Around the 7:00 mark here.
     
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  12. John Hurtt

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    Um....

    Aah-yeah
    Running with the devil
    Yes I am
    Yeah....Woo Woo

    Whoo, Bop bada, shoobe doo wah, bop bada, shoobe doo wah, (ba da whum)
    Bop bada, shoobe doo wah (bop bada, shoobe doobe doobe doo whum)
    Bop bada, shoobe doobe doobe doo wah
    Bop bada, shoobe doo wah (bop bada, shoobe doobe doobe doo whum)
    Bop bada, shoobe doobe doobe doo wah
    Bop bada, shoobe doo wah (bop bada, shoobe doobe doobe doo whum)
    Bop bada, shoobe doo wah, whoo

    Whoa yeah, wow
    Ooo, Ahhh
    Uh no, no, no
    B-b-b-b-b-b-b-baby

    Eddie must have been too drunk to remember the first album...samples above. Do we need to link all the yelps and noises DLR used rather than lyrics?
     
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    I would quote some Sammy lyrics but they all have "Love" in the title and I can't figure out which is which...

     
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    You forgot:

    A-seek a boo boo lap
    A-looka for a moopie!
     
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    I don't think people into Sammy or Dave are into it due to the words.

    It's always been about Eddie.
     
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    Van Halen of both eras had great songwriting, great drums, great background vocals, and Eddie.

    There were a lot of hot guitar players in lame bands that didn't go anywhere.
     
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    My point was VH very well could have never gotten a deal or the attention of record companies if it wasn't for DLR, hence no Ted Templeman awareness.
     
  18. TheGuildedAge

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    Eddie was the van guard though. He can't help the copy cats who came after him who were style and no substance.

    I think a lot of guitar players were technically better than Ed. His stuff, compositionally, is pretty simple music.

    What he had that others lacked was songwriting, swing, phrasing, rhythm chops, fire, and energy.

    I do agree though that the chemistry of the four made it work...until it didn't.
     
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    Sammy did like "love"...he used in in five song titles in Van Halen. DLR? Also five times...o_O
     
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    Sammy has no sassy
     

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