”Acid” lead guitar tone

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  1. Psych_rock

    Psych_rock Member

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    I just love Psych and stoner bands that uses what I call acid lead guitar, or maybe perhaps also ”woman tone” like Eric Clapton on Disraeli gears.

    Anyone who knows how I could get that sound the best way with a Telecaster , fuzz face and a boss BD2 overdrive, into a clean amp?
    I’m guessing using neck pick up and down with tone control on the guitar?

    Here are some examples of what sound I’m looking for on the lead parts.





    First at around 2:20
     
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  2. guitarjazz

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    Sounds like you already know the answer. Try that with a guitar with humbuckers too.
    Spirit's great Randy California RIP
     
  3. Psych_rock

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    One of my favorite guitarists for sure! I actually haven’t heard that album you posted yet. I must listen to it!

    I love their first album also their second is great. Twelve dreams is good as well ,but a bit too commercial sounding for me and less of that acid guitar sound, however their songwriting is probably best on Twelve dreams.
     
  4. cameron

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    Into a clean amp, you're better off with a Tone Bender style fuzz, or a Big Muff type of thing. The Fuzz Face is a great, classic circuit, but it tends to work best on top of an amp that's already breaking up itself.

    Also look into a fuzz pedal with an octave-up effect. Much of the QotSA lead stuff, at least on the early albums, was with octave-up fuzz into a clean amp. I have it on fairly reliable report that a Fulltone Ultimate Octave was used as a go-to pedal on a lot of those sessions, but those guys tend to be somewhat secretive about that sort of thing . . . in any event something based on an Octavia or Foxx Tone Machine or that kind of thing is worth checking out.
     
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    You want a Garnet Herzog if you can find one. Otherwise it was "reissued" as the Tech 21 American Woman. This is the sound I think you want (starting at about 24 seconds)

     
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    I'd run the Fuzz Face into the BB2, but yeah, Fuzz Faces can have issues running into clean amps. It's all about "hyping" or "goosing" certain frequencies, generally in the midrange band, and a Fuzz Face on its own into a clean amp doesn't seem to do it. I used to run Fuzz Face types into boosts or Marshall type pedals into a clean amp to get them to work right.

    I agree with @cameron that you might want to look at some other types of Fuzz. There really are a million options out there, but on the cheap I have a DOD Carcosa which is killer into a clean amp and super versatile. It's not quite as saturated as a Big Muff, still can cut like a Tone Bender or also do the wooly and woofy thing like a germanium Fuzz Face. Highly recommended; you really can't go wrong for like 100 duckets...

    Also while humbuckers may help to nail some specific sounds you're referencing I don't think they're necessary to get in the ballpark, especially because you want low output pickups in general for this stuff. You def don't want Super Distortion humbuckers for this....
     
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    I went to a blues jam once and Randy was running it.
     
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    More porridge please!
     
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    That and mess with the volume control settings too.
     
  10. Psych_rock

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    I haven’t tried it yet but in a couple of days I will.
    What about amp settings, treble and bass?
     
  11. ninjaaron

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    I'd actually suggest using the bridge pickup with the tone control turned down. Most people attempt to get the "woman tone" with the neck pickup, but you can see it's actually the bridge pickup in old interviews with Clapton.

    I personally much prefer the sound of the bridge pickup with the tone turned down than the neck pickup, but YMMV. For me, it is still really smooth, but it has a more cut.

    Try both! They cost the same!
     
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    This is the real Garnet Herzog reissue.
    http://www.garnetamps.com/order_h.htm
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Paleolith54

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    Ninjaaron is right about the bridge pickup being what Clayton used for woman tone. If you do look at other fuzz pedals more suited to a clean amp, look at the Basic Audio Foxey Lady; I use it to cover the bases you’re describing.
     
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  14. Lobotomie

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    Big Muff type pedal, bridge humbucker with the Tone knob all the way down works for me.

    I'm listening to that QOTSA song, by the way.

    Love that sound.
     
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    Stick an orange and some rye bread in the control cavity and leave it there for a month or two. Remove and eat when ready.
     

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