Ah, the joys of stupid people

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  1. nmiller

    nmiller Drowning in lap steels

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    Let me clarify what I meant. I'm not calling him stupid because he thought the dimensions were different. No problem with that at all; he misunderstood the dimensions, and I misunderstood what the catalogs meant. Yes, I learned something from this.

    I'm trying to point out that even after I sent him a picture of the tape measure next to the speakers, he continued to say that they are unqeustionably 11" long. He maintains that the tape measure is incorrect. I have no problem with him questioning my knowledge; I'm hardly an expert on these amps.

    As for Valco, this is actually another one of many inconsistencies between the catalogs and the actual products. They weren't stupid, just inconsistent. I'm guessing the speakers were called 6X11s just because that sounded bigger and better than 6X9s.

    If you think that "stupid" is too harsh a word, ok, I understand that. Perhaps "stubborn beyond reason" is more apt. I'm not trying to label the guy as an all-around idiot or smear him, just trying to relate what I thought was an amusing conversation.
     
  2. Hallogallo

    Hallogallo Member

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    There's a great Orson Welles flick called 'F is for Fake' that deals with the issue of 'experts'. I highly recommend it.

    And I agree, arguing with FACTS and objective evidence is STUPID.
     
  3. Gas-man

    Gas-man Unrepentant Massaganist

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    So bottom line the stupid guy was right.
     
  4. Marc Roy

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    He's a moron alright. I'd tell him to call back once he decides to take the "expert's" opinion out of his ass.
     
  5. nmiller

    nmiller Drowning in lap steels

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    This is my last reply on the thread, because now I'm repeating the same thing over and over. Yes, he was right that the catalog says they're 6X11. I fully admit that. However, he is completely wrong to argue that those are the actual dimensions of the speaker. I have conclusively proven to him that they are 6X9s, but he still refuses to agree.
     
  6. valcotone

    valcotone Silver Supporting Member

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    Just my opinion, but I think we should try to be accurate for the many future generations of gearheads that may read this thread:

    - Valco called these oval Rola speakers "6x11"
    - The exterior dimension of the speaker frames measure approx 6.25" x 10.5"
    - The cone dimensions are smaller

    I believe the convention is to measure a speaker by the frame, for example a 12" speaker frame is usually a little larger (1/8" ?) than 12"... but if you measure the cone itself it's 11 3/4 or so (it varies).
     
  7. jaydub69

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    Future generations thank you.
    I'll sleep well tonight.
     
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    Tone_Terrific Supporting Member

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    If you make a 12 inch hole for your 12 inch speaker, what could go wrong?:jo
     
  9. valcotone

    valcotone Silver Supporting Member

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    Haha.... glad you enjoyed my silliness. :rotflmao
     
  10. Echoes

    Echoes Senior Member

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    I've learned a long long time ago that the other guy is always the stupid one ;)
     
  11. Doug's Tubes

    Doug's Tubes Gold Supporting Member

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    I have a Gretsch amp with those same Rola's in them. Definitely 6x9.
     
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    valcotone Silver Supporting Member

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    You haven't been reading have you, Doug? :crazyguy
     
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    OK, so after ALL that, the speakers ARE 6x11!? :rotflmao

    (w/ rounding, which is not out of line)
     
  14. demillso

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    That's funny, but what's even funnier is that at the company I used to work for we were not allowed to use a tape measure unless it had a current calibration sticker. I just slapped a sticker on mine that said 'for reference only'. I could only imagine the hassle I would have to go through to get my generic $5 tape measure calibrated.:facepalm
     
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    Gas-man Unrepentant Massaganist

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    Are you by any chance an engineer?

    I've noticed they are quick to call other people stupid when it is often their own communication failings that are at fault.
     
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    mad dog Silver Supporting Member

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    Stupidity is much worse. That's stubbornness, plus a rather black and white view of the world.
    MD
     
  17. mfretton

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    I have a 1959 Supro 'Super' 1606 here with an original 6x11" oval speaker & it is definitely not the same size as a standard 6x9" oval speaker (I have a Weber here for comparison). The 6x11" (which is not an acurate measurement) frame and cone are significantly wider than the 6x9".

    The 6x11" is an odd and obsolete speaker size (try getting one reconed) but it is absolutely & irrefutably distinct from a 6x9". To replace the 6x11" with a 6x9" oval speaker would require a new baffle to be made as the hole in the original baffle is too large for the 6x9.
     
  18. KLB

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    One very important thing to remember about stupidity...

    You can't outsmart it!

    (This I learned from a wise consultant I once worked with in the IT field.)
     
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    The beauty of posting a thread is that you can make it go away when it becomes clear that you had the stupid guys mixed up.
     
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    If I don't get anything else for Christmas. This post will suffice. Nicely played Sundaypunch!
     

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