Airplane Repo - How does the FAA allow all this?

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  1. jcmark611

    jcmark611 Member

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    These guys are a menace to themselves and everything in the air... yes, birds too.

    They are breaking into airports (how is this not a FEDERAL CRIME?!) then taking off from these airports with what seems like no flight plans.

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    Some dumbass is crashing his plane into a forest. (I understand shows a scripted, but who in their right mind crashes a plane on purpose?!)

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    How is it all these planes just happened to have fuel to get places?!

    Tonight is the first time I've seen the show and I have no idea how any of this is legal.
     
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    Like all of those shows, it's fake. Repoing a plane is a lot more complicated than just flying off in the thing like a 2nd hand Honda.
     
  4. MrAstro

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    I can't think of anything more complicated than trying to fly off in a second hand Honda - especially since most of them don't have wings :spit

    Although I believe Honda actually do make aircraft :)
     
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  5. jcmark611

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    Why not show that complication? That can be edited to make it look dramatic.
     
  6. DustyRhodesJr

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    What is really scary is when the repo man is hanging from the landing gear
    in mid-air as the owner took off while the repo was going on.:D:D
     
  7. jcmark611

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    How much does it cost to buy a repo'd plane? Maybe I could afford one of those.
     
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    Just skip the middle man and go repo one yourself:dunno
     
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  9. John Coloccia

    John Coloccia Cold Supporting Member

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    Just for the record, you don't generally need a "flight plan" unless you're intending to fly under IFR. You're free to file one anyway if you'd like, and it's not unusual if you're going on a long trip so that if you fail to close the plan, they will start looking for you.

    Also, I'm not sure what the breaking into airports thing is all about. At every airport I've ever been to, you just walk in and out of the general aviation side. Think about this. What are you going to do if you decide to land at an airport at 3:00am? Are you just stuck because it's "closed" or some nonsense? No. You park the plane, you walk out and do you thing, and when you're done you walk back in and leave with your plane. If they're showing airport break-ins, it's just more theatrics, IMHO.
     
  10. Tom CT

    Tom CT Old Supporting Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Probably because paperwork doesn't draw viewers or advertisers.

    PS: I wasn't aware of the program until this thread.
     
  11. eflatminor

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    Actually, real airplane repo men tend to be excellent pilots. Can't speak for a television show, but in reality, they are quite skilled. I know this because my father was a lifelong appraiser who worked with lenders and of course, repossession experts.

    Because non-military airports are not federal property.

    Not all flights require a flight plan.

    If you understand shows are scripted, then this isn't a legitimate concern...

    They don't. Obtaining an adequate supply of fuel is but one of the things that must be considered in a repossession.

    Television shows are not a good indication of reality.

    Repossession experts are an important element of lending capital. After all, if the lender can't get their collateral back if the borrower fails to make payments, they're not going to lend money in the first place...and that would bring the economy to a halt pretty quickly.
     
  12. Tripower455

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    Unfortunately, it is becoming more and more common for GA airports to be "secure", like large airports are. 3 that I can think of off the top of my head are KAPF, KFRG and KISM, all of which have a SIDA like program in order to access the ramp.

    I am considering a light airplane for my commute to KMCO, and KISM was one of the places I was considering to keep the airplane when at work ($100 per month tie down). The problem is that after 2100, they have to call in a "trusted" employee to escort you in, as it is unmanned after then and you're not allowed unescorted access. The call is no biggie, but it costs $80 every time you do it. Since I rarely get back before 2100, it is cheaper to pay $170 per month at KMCO. It's closer to work and I won't have to keep a beater car up there.

    All that said, the Airplane Repo show is not even as realistic as the "Real Housewives" or any other "reality show". It's all made up BS.
     
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  13. John Coloccia

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    These people have to ruin everything, don't they?

     
  14. Tripower455

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    DEFINITELY!

    When I was a kid, my dad would take me to every airport we passed to kick tires. I knew every airport on LI before I was 5 (most are long gone now!). Even on vacation, we'd always gravitate to the nearest airport. It used to drive my mom nuts, but I loved it!

    My grandparents had a place in Vero Beach, and we'd go down there a few times a year, there was a little grass strip called "New" Hibiscus (we explored "Old" Hibiscus after it closed, which was later razed for "development".... My first taste of "urban exploration") that wasn't much more than a crop dusting base. We used to go there EVERY time we were in Vero. We'd drive in, get out of the car, and poke around the hangars. Most of the time, they'd be wide open and nobody would be around. When there were other folks, they weren't concerned with our presence, and were usually friendly. over the years, I got a ride in Stearman, as well as a BT-13, a Schweitzer glider and a clipped wing J-3 on other occasions. Truly memorable occasions for an airplane nut kid.

    I used to take my kids to KAPF and look at airplanes, but even in the mid/late '90's it was starting to tighten up. We got hassled a few times while looking at the Mosquito Control DC-3s, and I knew the chief pilot!

    Nowadays, it's like trying to get into JFK, and this is a pure GA airport in a small city.
     
  15. TeleBlack

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    I can't tell if OP really thinks this show is real...
     
  16. Echoes

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    Aircraft repos happen (not entirely like the show depicts) what exactly does the OP expect the FAA to do about it? They regulate they don't manage airports
     
  17. Jerrod

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    OP, this is important stuff. Thanks for posting about it. In a similar vein, I am shocked that big bad wolves are allowed to huff and puff and blow houses down.
     
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  18. TeleBlack

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    I'm amazed the population allowed Paul Bunyon to gouge out the Grand Canyon all those years ago. Like, the permits must have been insane.
     
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    TSA is now requiring SIDA badges, ramp access driver training and vehicle stickers for all SIDA entries. No exception. If you own a plane, you are required to have a security background check and TSA issued SIDA badge. Same holds for anyone who has business on the SIDA ramps. If you want ramp access for your vehicle you have to take the 20-minute driving video/test and get an access sticker for your car. That can be expensive if you are a small, single person company because it requires a certain amount of personal vehicle/liability insurance. TSA is tightening up the constraints on SIDA access.

    Not much policing by the TSA extends to the GA ramps if they're distant from the commercial side. I seldom see anyone policing our ramps and hangars.

    Also, only certain SIDA ramps have Escort privileges extended. Normally, the GA ramps don't have it. Air Carrier and cargo areas do. So, if a buddy wants to hitch a ride I'm not sure of the security implications. He isn't badged, the badge holder (pilot) can't legally escort him to the plane without "Escort" clearly labeled onto his badge, and there's no GA procedural language for obtaining passenger access clearance stipulated in the TSA training videos. As usual, SNAFU.

    That's the official way of it at my place of employment. How it really works is pretty casual due to the lack of TSA monitoring.

    Aircraft repo folks have all the clearances in place with the local terminal security people before they act. The notion of simply cowboying onto a ramp and securing the targeted asset is Hollywood stuff.

    GA = General Aviation

    SIDA = Security Identification Display (badge) Area.

    Edit to add: Ramp access through security gates requires entering a personal code on a keypad at the entrance gate. The code is assigned to your name and associated company by TSA at time of badging. Otherwise, there is no unsecured ramp access.
     

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