Airplay for new "classic rock"

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  1. amstrtatnut

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    The van halen thread made me think of this.

    Remember when the new classic rock albums were eagerly awaited and went into rotation?

    Recently the Doobie Bros released a record that got a couple weeks of airplay and then you never hear it again.

    Same for Steve Miller. Maybe a month of airplay and thats it.

    They just played acdc here at work. They have a new album and tour. I have yet to even hear the song on the radio.

    Pop music has new stuff every frikken week.

    I understand that money drives it all but dont understand why new classic rock isnt repeated ad nauseum like they do with the old. It cant become classic unless its repeated over and over right?
     
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  3. Misterbulbous

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    yes. We have three classic rock stations in Lexington. They all play "the best" classic rock. I can't get enough Fleetwood Mac, Boston, and AC/DC.

    I'm insanely frustrated with this. MOst of us here are. Yes, they would rather play You Shook Me All Night Long than a new AC/DC song.

    On the day of the new Van Halen release, they announced it and played Beautiful Girls.
     
  4. therhodeo

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    Perhaps because they're not "classic".
     
  5. jammybastard

    jammybastard "I'm losing my edge, but I was there..."

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    Dude.

    You're not going to hear new "classic rock" on radio because:
    1. It's dead. It doesn't make money for ClearChannel so they don't play it unless a label or management firm pay them a ton of money to add it to their national playlists.
    2. The labels don't sign "classic rock" bands, let alone any rock bands, because these days the Billboard charts and radio play is about pop singles and not albums. That's where the money is for labels.
    3. Anyone who is a real dedicated fan of music does not listen to radio anymore. The corporate radio paradigm is not about fans. It's about ads.

    Real fans find new stuff online via YouTube (which is what MTV in the 80s was for guys like me) & Vevo as well as on the streaming services like Spotify, RDio, etc...
    That's where you should go if you want to hear the latest.

    I pay for Spotify Premium.
    Every Tuesday I look at the "New Releases" and I also listen to the "Rock Right Now" playlist which has all the latest hard rock singles.
    There's 5 hours of music in that playlist alone and is like having your own private Hard Rock/Classic Rock station in your phone.

    BTW - I'm 47. Gen X malcontent type. I was raised on Classic Rock and I still listen to in once in awhile but the Classic Rock radio format has always made me want to blow up the radio. The same damn songs over and over, and never any deep album cuts. Fuggedaboutit!
    We all know VH has more than 3-5 amazing songs, but classic rock radio never plays them
    So f**k 'em.
    My money, my time, my playlist.
    With Spotify I make my own classic rock playlist of the songs I want to hear from REO, AC/DC, VH, Floyd, Skynyrd, Grand Funk, Boston, BoC, Sabbath, etc...
    and rock the f out.
     
  6. DennyDream

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    I rarely listen to the radio anymore b/c it is the same crap + a bunch of commercials all the time. There are loads of bands out there that have killer music but I seriously doubt they get much, if any, airplay. Anybody heard Rival Sons on any FM rock station?

    I agree with jammybastard above-- you find music online, social networks, friends, streaming, etc.

    I really miss album oriented rock stations (e.g. WRIF, WWWW in Detroit).
     
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    I wish the WRIF were still like that. It's one the few stations I have that I listen to sometimes. In the morning they have a pretty hilarious talk show, after that it's usually 80' c*ck rawk and nu-metal.
     
  8. amstrtatnut

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    I pretty much only listen to radio at work or in car. I seek out music. Thsts not the question.

    I just wondered why the newer singles dont get much chance to become a classic. I realize its music for old folks but we arent dead yet. We buy stuff.
     
  9. dazco

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    Yeah, but for every $1 we spend on it, 80 million 12 year old girls that wanna boink justin beeber spend the same. We no longer drive the market, not enough to matter.
     
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    I miss album oriented rock stations, too, and what it comes down to is sales.....sales of advertising. If a station with "Format X" can sell enough advertising slots to keep it going, then everything will be okay. If not, then that's when you see format changes......this all explains why many stations will be one of three main formats....country, classic rock, and top 40, and maybe, maybe, a heavy rock station.....no indie, no alternative, no blues, no R&B, etc. Radio stations in college towns, and/or larger cities will be more diverse.
     
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    The point is bands like Tesla, AC/DC, Van Halen, Scorpions, Night Ranger, Ratt, Winger, and countless others continue to release some really good music. Would it kill a "classic rock" station to play one song instead of 30 yr old music from these same band?
     
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    It would kill the bean counters who make the playlists based on demographic analysis and focus groups. I can only surmise that the latter confirms the fact that guys like us are in the minority, and most people prefer the same old same old. In that respect, pop radio listeners are actually more adventurous than rock radio listeners.
     
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    Me thinks you don't understand the word good or possibly continue given some of the bands you listed.
     
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    Couldn't the stations make a killing on Viagra and stool softener ads?:aok
     
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    Dockers and Haggar are surely looking for advertising outlets.
     
  16. Lance

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    Haven't turned on an FM station since about 2000.

    You get 3-4 songs that are ok. 3-4 songs that aren't even ok. Coupled with 20 minutes of commercials in between. Just to get maybe 4) solid minutes of entertainment. It's just not an efficient use of my time.
     
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    Wait, you actually heard these things on the radio? If it weren't for TGP, I wouldn't know any of these artists had released a new album (or file). My local radio plays absolutely nothing new from existing artists. The "classic rock" radio plays The Eagles (I've heard "In The City" every time I've flipped to that station the last 3 times I've flipped to it!) and Fleetwood Mac, and the same other "safe" music. Don't get me wrong, I like that stuff still, but I don't want to hear only it and the same other dozen songs they rotate.

    The station that play newer music only play Pink, and those hipster bands, etc. Never a "classic rock" song, and certainly nothing new from any artist older than, say, 1 album hits' worth of songs away.

    The station that plays "the widest variety" will in fact hit you with some modern stuff, classic rock, and stuff you won't hear on those other two stations, such as Bob Marley, Elvis, Madness, Madonna, The Commodores, REM, Matchbox 20, The Turtles - heck, even Tom Jones.

    But you're never going to hear anything current that any "old" artist releases. Only new stuff like the station that plays the newer artists (Lorde, Pharrel, etc.)

    Our one "rock" radio station does in fact play new albums by heavier rock artists, but for some reason it seems a select few, most of whom aren't very interesting - like they're in love with Volbeat and play it every 5 minutes. That was the one station that played the new AC/DC once or maybe twice when it came out (does it count if it's on Nikki Sixx's or Alice Cooper's show?). They're no longer touching "classic rock", though you'll the occasional Hendrix or even Beatles song (well, Come Together, not the early stuff) or Who song, but if Metallica or Megadeth released a new album, you'd never hear it.

    I do remember hearing Chickenfoot on there, but that was a "new" band at the time, even though made up of members from older groups.

    Certainly never heard Van Halen's new album.
    Never heard Pink Floyd's new material.
     
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    The people whe really BUY stuff are in our age bracket. Lexus, Mercedes, Harley Davidson, homes. Tons of prescription drugs. I dont think beiber merch even compares. Maybe young audiences are larger and old audiences are literally dying.
     
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    I am blessed to have a great community radio station (www.KRFC-FM.org if you want to check them out as they stream live) that's independent (not an NPR affiliate), and dedicated to playing new and local (Colorado) bands. There's a Colorado Music show that plays two hours of local artists and bands that have had a presence in Colorado. They have a show called Live@Lunch that's an hour long live music show every weekday at noon and have an eclectic mix of DJ's who program their own shows. They may be a little heavy on Americana/jam grass scene, but that's a lot of what's popular here. I'm a supporting member. I figure $10.00 a month is cheaper then a lot of other forms of entertainment.

    Even our NPR station has a good music mix (KUNC-FM) and they stream as well.
     
  20. DennyDream

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    I thought I answered the question-- but I didn't.

    I think it comes down to the business model for radio-- publishing royalties, advertising and whether or not it makes sense for them to play new stuff even from established artists. My **assumption** is that if something new from a new artists in ROCK (vs pop) may not be worth paying the rights (and then there's the payola aspect which I'd bet still exists). AC/DC or some other big name act might be willing to push to get their new stuff played (via the record label).

    Ideally, somebody on here with more knowledge of the business model would weigh in.
     

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