Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by foureyes, Jan 15, 2015.
Flange/chorus before or after drive/amp? My ear says before but...
I think mod before drive
Totally depends on which era of Alex Lifeson we're talking about! The placement of the effects changed a lot over the years with him.
Which album's sounds are you looking for?
If you're talking 'Kings' through 'Pictures' sounds, it was Flanger into Chorus in to the front of a dirty amp.
Moving pictures and earlier.
Thanks! That's what I was thinking. I spent some time swapping the order of my flanger and drive and just thought it sounded closer with the flanger before the drive.
The hardest thing for me to figure out was the order of the flanger and chorus. For some reason I had always wanted to run chorus into flanger in my amp's effects loop. Once I moved the effects to the front of the amp and then put flanger in front of the chorus, I got way closer to that type of vibe and sound.
yes. i always wondered about the 'spirit of the radio' on permanent waves record. was he using a mxr dist + before the ehx mistress & the roland ce-1 or were those 2 mod. pedals just in front of a dirty amp w/o any dirt box???
I'm not sure. He used different amp setups throughout the late 1970s and into the 1980s. Stacks of Hiwatts at one stage, then late he had Marshall "Country Club" combo amps at some point? Then came the Gallien Kruger amps which had in-built chorus, I think around 1985.
I wonder if he ran a flanger into one amp while a chorus into another, playing at the same time. Or flanger INTO chorus which then splits to two amps?
For the 70's stuff, Chorus Before. When you want the mid-late 80's Lifeson tone, use 2 choruses .. I've found this is what gives his lead tones an almost metallic overtone .. the 2 choruses combined.
This is my take on a 70's Lifeson sound with 1 chorus (just using the gear I have, not trying to duplicate his rig):
And this is what I use for the 80's double chorus sound:
I'm just taking a shot at this but based on the pics,I'm assuming he used his TC rack gear.
Which means whatever was used, it was probably running in parallel.
So you could set up something with 2 chorus' or flanger and chorus running parallel to each other.
Again, just a guess based on pics of his rack gear.
Might get you closer.
Well, this escalated quickly...
As a general rule, if it was recorded before 1980, the modulation is before drive, because drive was just a cranked amp.