Alternate fingerings to the diminished scale..

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  1. Steve1216

    Steve1216 Supporting Member

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    Not the W/H or H/W. But the one that is just stacked minor thirds. The only position I'm fluent with is the two notes per string/half step up each string one. I can't very well seem to apply it to most areas of the neck with other scale patterns. Are there other positions? If so, where can I find them?
     
  2. guitarjazz

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    You mean arpeggios. Do one note per-string. Start up on f 13th fret on low 6th string.
     
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    Maybe this? You can see the arpeggios in it.
    [​IMG]
     
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  4. cubistguitar

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    Think simple small shapes

    You mention a 2 note pattern shifted up by tritone, try 3 notes shifted by a maj6



    —————————-3————
    ———————2-5—————
    ——————3———————
    ————2-5————————
    ———4——————————
    —3-6———————————


    ——————————3-6—
    —————————5———
    ——————-3-6————-
    —————-5——————-
    ———4-7————————
    ——6——————————
     
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  5. cubistguitar

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    The scale is nice in 4 note chunks


    G—————————————-5/etc
    D—————————-4/5-7-8—-
    A—————3/4-6-7——————
    E——3-5-6——————————
     
  6. Megatron

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    might be confusing diminished scale for diminished arpeggio.
     
  7. frdagaa

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    Folks are trying to be helpful ...
     
  8. Clifford-D

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    Try this hip REH Robben Ford lick
    D13b9
    -------------------------------------------------10-----13
    --------------------------------9-----12--10-----13---
    ---------------7------10--8----11----------------------
    ------------7----10---------------------------------------
    -----8--9--------------------------------------------------
    -11--------------------------------------------------------
     
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    This is a nice REH diminished pattern, just keep going with tbe pattern,
    Bb7alt
    -12-9-10-----9----------------------------------------
    '-------------11---12-----11--9------------7---------
    --------------------------11---------9--7--9----7--6-9
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------
     
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  10. Bluesful

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    @Clifford-D - forgive my ignorance here. What's REH?
     
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    REH is an old series of guitar instruction books from the late 70s early 80s, some still in print from Hal Leonard, most long gone

    they also did a lot of instruction VHS tapes, I bet the Ford was a video
     
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    Yea, the books are discontinued. The Ford lick comes from his first skinny REH book called Blues.
     
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    Thanks guys.

    I actually have one of those Robben Ford instructional DVDs, but haven't watched it yet.

    I think it's Beyond the Blues.
     
  14. Steve1216

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    Isn’t that a half/whole diminished? What I’m referring to, and maybe I have the name wrong, is the scale that is two notes per string. So, bottom E you’d play maybe the 4th fret and 7th fret. For the A strong, you’d move it up a half step and play the 5th fret and 8th fret. And so on.. only moving it up a whole step when you get to the B string. This scale is interchangeable with the harmonic minor, as far as I know. And I usually use one or the other to play over a dominant 7 V chord in a minor progression. Is that called a diminished scale? As far as the half/whole or whole/half, I’ve never been able to get them to work the same way. So I assume they are different scales, even though they are referred to as diminished, also.
     
  15. Megatron

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    That's a diminished 7th arpeggio. R, b3 ,b5 ,bb7.
     
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    Do you read music? There are numerous resources with takes/slant on all this. Joe Pass Guitar Style was the first one I got my hands on.
    Do you like jazz or are you going for the Neo-classical metal thing?
     
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    I dont read music, and vaguely like jazz. But more like I hear of people like eric gales kind of meld this into pentatonic lines, and it sound great.
     
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    So is there a proper scale that fits around it?
     
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    The proper scale is half whole diminished, every other note is a dim7 arp ( which is the “ scale” you are asking about) no matter which note you start on.
     
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    Ok, I'm going to try and help. First thing let's get some terms straight; understand there is a difference between a scale and a scale pattern (I'm sure that seems obvious but it's important to be clear in discussions like this). That said I assume you're looking for a pattern for R, b3 ,b5 ,bb7 (which is an arpeggio, not a scale) since you've already shot down any reference to the actual diminished scale (whole/half or half/whole). This is one of the easier arpeggios to map out, because all the intervals are equal distance apart; minor 3rds, or 3 1/2 steps (3 frets). So, you could simply go up a single string every 3 frets, and you'd have this diminished arpeggio. But if you want to go across the neck it's really not that much more difficult when you know what a minor 3rd looks like across the strings. Let's say we're playing an A diminished arpeggio, starting on the low E string. For that next note we really just have two options:

    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)
    6)5-8

    or

    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)---3
    6)5

    That later, that's what I'm talking about. That's the shape of a minor 3rd from string to string (except for the B string). Now, if we want to build out the rest of the pattern from there we'd probably stay on the same string for the next note (to keep things all in the same range):

    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)---3-6
    6)5

    then

    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)----------4
    5)---3-6
    6)5

    then

    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)-----------4--7
    5)---3--6
    6)5

    Now that's a full A diminished arpeggio. You can continue that pattern across the rest of the neck to get the next octave, I'll let you finish it (again, watch out for that pesky B string).
     
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