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  1. auraelux

    auraelux Member

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    Those Line 6 Spider Valves really really impressed me at the store the other day. I mean, I've owned a JCM 2000, JCM 800, Mesa Dual Rectifier, and a Vox AC30. So I've had my fair share of experience with "true" tube amps. The reason I'm posting about is because I'm pretty much set with my AC30, but this Spider Valve seems like a pretty cool thing to have on hand in a studio setting, perhaps even live, I'm currently looking for more power.

    Now, I've never really owned a modeling amp, even my very first amp was an all tube Crate Vintage Club combo, so I know nothing about modeling amps really, this Spider Valve just sounds good.

    A few questions though; Do these Spider Valves have some sort of effects loop? I couldn't seem to find one. Or are effects loops not needed with modeling amps? I found the onboard effects very weak and cheesy, so I'm wondering if I can run my M13 and favorite dirt boxes with this thing. Also, what's the big deal with those Vetta II amps? I found the Spider Valve to offer way more options and better sounds for almost half the price.

    Hopefully some Line 6 users can chime in and give me some input. Thanks everyone :)
     
  2. The Whale

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    Hey there,

    I've had a Spider Valve head for about 6 months now. I've gigged with it every weekend since and tracked a record with it. It has shined in both environments. I've been through both modeling and tube amps, from Mesas to custom built boutique combos. I'm kickin' it to the spider valve right now, and while i can say it's not boutique tone, it's really solid and versatile. I play teles, strats with both singles and pafs, and hot rodded super strats, and i'm able to pull out crispy cleans, great blues tones and heavy overdriven tones. there are some great samples here on TGP, and i've got a bunch i could send as well, if you'd like.

    To your questions: Yes, the SV has an effects loop. It's labeled "preamp out" and power amp in" It works very well and is quiet. The onboard effects are pretty weak, though i've gotten the solo delays and such from it. I run modulations and boost pedals in front as well. Having the Shortboard really expands the functionality of the amp. Well worth it.

    Oh, also, i run the SV through a 2x12 loaded with greenbacks... and find that to be a great sound. THe V30s that comes stock are decent, but a little spikey. The greenbacks give the Crunch channels a great mid-bite. very nice.

    either way, good amp overall. happy hunting.
     
  3. auraelux

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    Cool, thanks for the help. I'd be running it through an Orange 4x12 with V30s in a live situation, and contrary to the rep V30s get, this cab is quite bassy and actually tames the shrillness of a lot of the amps I run through it.

    So I'm assuming;

    Pre-amp Out=Effects Send?

    Pre-amp In=Effects Return?

    Are the songs on your myspace recorded with the SV?
     
  4. The Whale

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    Yeah, you've got the effects loop. The clips on my myspace are recorded with the Spider Valve and my tele. There are more on my bands page as well: www.violetmary.com
     
  5. Julia343

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    Why to you hate to admit it? I was playing one a couple weeks ago through the 412 w/ V-30s and found it quite nice. I was pleasantly surprised. Instead of trying to futz around with the knobs and all that stuff I wanted a particular sound, say Lacuna Coil, bam. There it was. Wanted Angus? Bam. Wanted "No More Tears" bam. The presets are by artist or name of song. Then you can go from there. It's a very versatile amp.

    Eventually I think one will be in the family, but not right now. I need to pay off a couple cards, then I can get one. By then they'll have the Spider Valve II out maybe.

    And when you're gigging, after the first set no one will notice whether it's a boutique amp or not. Hell, in most places the acoustics are so bad anyway I don't think it really matters. In your studio yes. But then this thing has record out and has cabinet models so for recording you're set.
     
  6. re-animator

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    tried the led zeppelin presets.



    cleaned the puke off my shirt and walked away.






    still might be a cool piece of gear in the versatility it provides.... I'm also sure you can dial in cool tones in the studio with it, but I wouldn't want to gig with one.
     
  7. auraelux

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    I guess it was just because I ruled out modeling amps for so long, I'm a real tube snob I guess lol. But there comes a point where you gotta say, "hey, they did a pretty good job with this"

    I'm gonna go try one again tomorrow to see if it can in fact become part of the family, with all the "top dollar" "real" tube amps I own. Having a modeling amp isn't gonna kill me.
     
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    I own a shiva, and I think Line 6 can do some cool stuff..... But I thought the Spider Valve sounded terrible. Now I didn't spend more than 10 minutes with it, but in those 10, I didn't come across one tone that I liked.
     
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    I just bought one on Saturday after reading a thread on here about the Spider Valve. Love it.....sounds great on low, medium, and cranked volumes. It sounds better than some other tube amps I've played before, and the versatility is excellent.
     
  10. auraelux

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    Now I just got back from the store, and I played this amp for a good hour and a half. I ran the the head version through an old marshall cab with V30s. I wanted to try it with greenbacks but didn't have the time. Here are the guitars I ran through it.

    52' Tele Reissue (Buterscotch)
    American Deluxe Telecaster
    Epiphone Casino
    Epiphone Sheraton
    John Mayer Strat
    Epiphone Les Paul Custom
    Squier Jagmaster
    Telecaster Deluxe 72 Reissue

    Now lets get down to the amp. The first three settings, Clean, Twang, Blues, are absolutely phenomenal. They respond to your picking really well and have a great full natural sound to them, even bell-like at times. My favorite seting was on the Crunch channel, the amber side sounded more like an old plexi, and the blue side, like a hot-rodded 800. At low volumes you can get a little bit of than digital coloring, but I cranked the hell out of it and it sounded really really good.

    Funniest thing about the whole experience, was the fact that a couple of my friends that worked at the GC I was at came up to me to see what the hell I was playing. They really thought I was playing through one of the newer vintage modern marshalls, which are ok amps. But it just goes to show you how passable this amp can be.

    Now, honestly, the Metal and Insane channels are utterly useless garbage tones. I mean, I guess they can work if you're into the shred stuff, or if you set one to your FBV shortboard for lead runs, but the tones are garbage to me. I also noticed that the amp responded very well to single coils, the two teles that I played through the crunch channel sounded amazing. One of my favorite guitars, the casino, sounded like ass through the amp unforunately, as well as the 72 deluxe telecaster. The Sheraton sounded full and godly! And the Mayer strat sounded amazing as well.

    I guess this is the bottom line, I'm a total tube snob, and for this thing to impress me this much is quite the accomplishment, considering the crap line 6 has released in the past. A tube swap would only make it better, and you can tell even though they are in the direct signal, they are running very cold. I'd like figure out some cool mods for it as well. all in all I think I might pull the trigger, like I said, I own several "real tube amps" so having this one isn't gonna kill me. I encourage the guys that speak poorly of this amp to give the head a shot, play with the settings, and really let the amp open up with different axes. I'm really quite impressed.
     
  11. auraelux

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    Anyone else got one?
     
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    Same here! My buddy was buying a guitar so we cranked up one of those Line 6 Spider Valve 100's. I was impressed! Wonder how they sound in a real life band mix though. Do they still cut through or do they gain themselves into getting buried?
     
  13. Julia343

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    I've seen some local bands use them. They cut through just fine. I think they're a great amp for when you don't really want to drag your $2200 amp head around and are playing a ton of covers -- which is where you make money at gigs these days unless you've built up a name.

    Zeppelin wasn't one of the presets I tried. I play mostly 80s through Lacuna Coil, CoB stuff. Metal for the win.

    I did not like the combo. Not at all. I liked the head and cab a lot.

    Since they did the Spider I, II, III; Flextone I, II, III; they'll probably do the Spider Valve II in a year or so. I hope they add a USB port so you can download the updated software and stuff like that.
     
  14. auraelux

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    Yeah the head is definately the way to go, I'm sure it'll sound great through my Orange 412
     
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    my experience is that the first gen of any modelling technology is usually crap. Vox tonelab/valvetronix excepted (... though basically it was the korg pandora first).


    I hold out hope for the Flextone Valve/Vetta Valve stuff... though it will undoubtedly be overpriced.
     
  16. auraelux

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    I think my only problem with the SV would be the shortboard performance, I'm sure the switching between patches as settings isn't very natural sounding. But I've been wrong before, an geeesh a Vetta Valve....those things would be like close to 3 grand no doubt.
     
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    How would you compare this to the Peavey Vypyr series?
     

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