Am I the only one who doesn't like celestion speakers?

bloozeman1

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I think a GA 64 is supposed to sound like a Celestion Alnico Blue. I think the 64 represents 1964, and the sound of the Beatles using vox amps with Blue speakers, but i could be wrong.
the alnico blue to me sounded nasally and harsh and papery. the GA sounds much thicker and fuller and warmer
 
Now on one hand the Pulsonic cones, that all british brands were using, back in the day obviously are not found in modern Celestions.

Then it seems something happened in the late 80s or early 90s that worked detrimentally to tone of this brand. And with Fane having gone bankrupt, Celestion seems to have reverted to producing bleak copies of their own originals.

Then there is a marked difference in performance between e.g. Eminence, that is all about the magnet, and Celestion, that is all about the cone. So if you prefer one over the other as a matter of taste that's what it is, really.
 

TP Parter

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Ok, so normally I’m NOT a fan of Vintage 30’s, but I have a really well broken in, made in UK example in a Louis Electric KR12 and it’s the most perfect speaker for that amp. I’ve tried many others and always come back to the Vintage 30 in that amp. Historically I have never liked the Vintage 30’s I’ve heard because of the ear fatigue, usually in the upper mids. My KR12 is a darker voiced amp and it goes perfect with that speaker.
All of my V30's have been made in the UK Mesa OEM (2x16ohm and 4x8ohm), well broken in, and played with a wide variety of vintage to modern tones pumped through them using a Mesa Tremoverb (both 6L6 and EL34's at different times) and a KMD XV100SD (4x6550 JCM800ish). I can never unhear that cold metallic fatiguing overtone anymore. The Tremo can definitely be defined as a warm and thick sounding amp too.

I replaced the 4 V30's in my Mesa Trad 4x12 with two Fane AXA12 and two G12H 55hz and what a huge improvement. For a while I had two of the V30's paired with two vintage EVM12L's in my other 4x12, but they eventually got the axe.
 

GTRJoe

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Yes, yes you are. :) Just kidding. Celestion or any other brand are not the end all be all. It'a a big world, find your tone!
 

zombiwoof

Supporting Member
In general, I agree with the OP with some exceptions. I'm trialing some G12-50's in a Twin right now for instance. They aren't voiced like a typical Celestion though. They weigh 7 lb lighter than the Eminence's they replaced...each! I'm committed to make them work, lol.
We put G12S-50's in a vintage Bandmaster cab my Brother bought, when they clearanced them out for cheap. They sound great, a little bright and not so much of the typical Celestion high-mid peakiness. They were great speakers for certain things IMO, especially in Fenders.
Al
 
Celestion speakers in British voiced amps (Vox Marshall) Weber in American (Fender). Never bonded with the celestion I tried in my Deluxe though!
 

Litterick

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Well, to be honest there are a bunch of different sounding Fanes also. My AXA12 are very warm, smooth, and elastic with a rich midrange grind that has a fine but not fizzy grain to it. The Medusa 30 is brighter and tighter, but still has a certain character to the distortion that is reminiscent of the AXA12, but more dynamic and less compressed. The Studio 12L is very similar to my EVM12L's, minus 30 yrs of break-in time. Both are fast and focused sounding, but the vintage EVM's are a little bouncier with a little more bloom. The Studio 12L is a little faster/tighter, but still has some warmth to it. And my Crescendo prototype is like a JBL D120 on roids. It's construction is like the Studio 12L with a bigger magnet and metal dust cap.

Then there are the 150 and 150C, and all the differnent vintage models, Greys, Purples, Hiwatt and Sound City OEM's, etc...
I am also an EVM user (Fender 12F) and I always like to hear about speakers that are not Celestion or Eminence. I posted because I still regret missing an opportunity to buy a vintage Fane. I shall keep your post in mind when I next see one.
 

BlueRiff

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Celestion has been a staple name in speakers for decades and when I was a young lad having them in any amo was cool, that was way long ago before I knew anything about tone etc.. Now after 35 years of playing, i havent liked the sound of an amp with celestions in them at all. I preferred weber for a while but now am leaning towards Fat Jimmys and GA allessandro 64s for my Fenders. anybody else out there that doesnt prefer celestions?
Reported. :D I like some Celestions better for clean than overdrive which is usually the opposite from I hear most of the time. If you get a Celestion speaker that's not too mid-forward, it can have a really great vocal quality to the cleans. I actually like the 70/80 which is the one of the cheapest Celestion speakers but really versatile. Eminence makes good Celestion approximations but now they've got so many "British" variants I wouldn't even know where to start. The Governor was a huge sounding speaker but a bit too mid-forward for clean work. But in a 1x12 combo that speaker totally filled the room.
 

mdubya

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Old Celestion G12M green/grey/black backs are the sound of rock, imho.

I have heard some Weber G12M clones which were probably the best sounding speakers I have ever heard, but old greenbacks are tough to beat.

Modern Celestions? No so much.
 

Thinline_slim

Supporting Member
Celestions are awesome in a mix. Sure there are different "flavors" but when it comes down to it, they sound fantastic in a band setting.

Most of us don't play the majority of our time actually in a band though. I've found my preference is to run Eminence speakers at home but their bottom end is a little heavy live.
 
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Celestion has been a staple name in speakers for decades and when I was a young lad having them in any amo was cool, that was way long ago before I knew anything about tone etc.. Now after 35 years of playing, i havent liked the sound of an amp with celestions in them at all. I preferred weber for a while but now am leaning towards Fat Jimmys and GA allessandro 64s for my Fenders. anybody else out there that doesnt prefer celestions?
One twist here is that some find more american style speakers mire suited for american style amps. They tend to find the midrange clashing. So I'm not too surprised of your findings in this regard.
 

sickboy79

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Celestion are my favorites (and Scumbacks too). But, we all have different ears. If they don't do it for you, all good.
 

wreckmark

Silver Supporting Member
Ive just had a bad experience with the ones ive tried for blues and blues rock. they sound harsh, and papery, and sometimes way too middy for my liking. I like warm round and glassy fender sounds. There well may be a celestion out there for me but from what Ive tried so far I havent found it
Jeff....you sold me a Blue a year or so ago, and you may have thought is sounded harsh & papery, but I thought it sounded amazing in my Cutthroat Audio Francene. A Marshall style 18 watt amp.

When I was younger I didn’t care for Celestions either. I was a EVM12L guy... and sometimes JBL. Those were the premium speakers of the 70’s & 80’s. However after hanging around Z amps and the forum I found Celestion’s worked great in most of those Vox & Marshall flavored amps.

Now the Blue and Gold are my two favorite Celestion’s....along with various Scumback’s, which are vintage Celestion based. I don’t care for the Cream or Ruby because they are too mellow for my old ears. You may like them though.

If you don’t like ‘em....all good. Stick with American style speakers. :)
 

les_paul

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I'm not a fan of the V30. I also prefer the Eminence CV-75s to the G12T-75 although I'll take the Celestion loaded cab for the right price, gut it, and put in what I want quite frequently.
 


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