Amp for stoner rock band...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Doomrider78, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:36 AM.

  1. Doomrider78

    Doomrider78 Member

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    I'm talking CoC, Clutch, Red Fang, Kyuss, Alice in Chains etc, plus occasional forays into metal a la Judas Priest.

    Budget is around $1100 for a head. Used market here is non-existent so that's a new, Canadian dollars, budget.

    I'm not looking to copy tones, just something that's fairly flexible.

    So far, the options are a Marshall DSL100 or a Orange CR120, but I'm open to suggestions. If it helps, the other guitarist has a 100w Marshall TSL JCM2000, but I'm not wedded to Marshall.
     
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    You’ll need a killer fuzz pedal with that amp. And a 4x12 cab.
     
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    Yeah, the cab I'll deal with separately. I dont believe any of those bands use fuzz pedals, although I could be wrong.

    CoC have been, historically, Mesas, bit have recently switched to Orange. Clutch are a mix of Marshall and orange, AiC are hot-rodded Marshalls (Friedman, now). Red Fang, I believe, use Orange CR120s. Kyuss may have used fuzz pedals but ,as I said, I'm not looking to copy.
     
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    The dsl through the right cab will get you there imo.
     
  5. walterw

    walterw Gold Supporting Member

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    to my ear the stoner rock thing was always about heavy amp sounds that were not classic marshall crunch, maybe even going all the way back to black sabbath and tony's laneys or whatever. marshalls are always at least a little bit "blues" while stoner rock is totally not bluesy.

    orange amps were always a strong contender in that style.

    (that said, there's no contest between some cheese solid state orange "crush" amp and a real 100w tube marshall head! put the right fuzz or heavy distortion pedal in front and the DSL wins by a mile. it even smokes the TSL, those were never as cool)
     
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    I think red fang uses solid state acoustic amps or something similar. Any loud amp will work.
     
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  7. undeadxundead

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    I’m going to drop my suggestions for amp signal chain but I want to quick clear up what some artists use because I know this genre too well.
    AiC used a lot of other stuff, Mesa, Bogner, etc in studio.
    Red Fang use Sunn & some Orange but I️ believe they mostly Sunn.
    Kyuss-QoTSA My favorite here and I’ll post a more detailed reply because I built a rig off these tones before.
    This is not to contradict your post just hopefully help you weigh the options as the amp you choose is going to be incredibly personal, and play into which effects you may use.
     
  8. Les Paul Lover

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    Could you track a used Orange R30 or OR50?
     
  9. undeadxundead

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    Here’s my Stoner Rock Recipe;
    (I’m going to assume you want Mids boosted.)

    Clean Amp; Ampeg, Mesa, Fender Hot Rot, Tubeworks Solid State, Orange Solid State, Sunn

    British; Orange, Marshall for Stoner rock I’d pick a JCM, or some variant but Oranges have a fantastic saturated dirt channel so you have to pick and choose there.

    Next is the cab, you can figure that out though a 2x12” is pretty healthy.

    Most of those bands use a Pitchshifter, Fuzz, and Boost/Distortion pending on amp, an EQ will also be your best friend in this situation.

    Specific Pedals;

    Fuzz:
    EHX Green Russian RI/Big Muff
    Thorpyfx Fallout Cloud
    Fulltone Ultimate Octave
    Fulltone ‘69 Fuzz
    EQD Hoof
    Various Boutique Fuzz Companies;
    Current favorites are Massivefx & Stomp Underfoot, there are many out there.

    Distortion:
    Stonedeaf PDF2
    Rat
    Fulltone Fatboost
    TS808
    Etc

    Octave: Pitchfork/Pog

    EQ: Any EQ, parametric is better for this genre.

    Modulation; Phaser, Envelope Filter to taste, a bit of delay for echo.


    When you get the tone you want there will be nothing more rewarding.
    Obviously those are pedal suggestions if you need anymore feel free to ask but Fuzz, EQ do a lot in this type of music)
     
  10. Echoplexi

    Echoplexi Silver Supporting Member

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    Sunn Beta Leads, well under OPs budget and would be a great choice

    See my response above, or since you are Canadian you should be looking for a Traynor YBA-1. Both amp choices will leave you money from your budget to buy an excellent fuzz/boost/OD/etc pedal.
     
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    Traynor would be great, or an Orange. The Oranges can be hit and miss with some fuzzes though.
     
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    If you get mail delivered, you have access to all the used gear you can dream of.

    Get on eBay or Reverb.com and get yourself an Orange that has an appropriate amount of power for your needs.

    I’d recommend a Rocker 30 or RV50. OR-80 or 120 would be my first suggestion, but that’s at the very top of your budget. IMO, they blow new Oranges out of the water for stoner rock though, so keep your eyes open!
     
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    Sorry. Stoner rock is creedence. Youll need a kustom tuck and roll amp. Keep on chooglin.
     
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    I'm constantly looking on Reverb and never find anything that is worth going for: it's usually no cheaper than new gear I can buy around here (Vancouver), once you add in postage. With US stuff I have to add in import duty as well.
     
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    Oh, and the other option is to keep my Katana Artist but I doubt that will get many recommendations here :hide:anon
     
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    Ampeg V4 (non-distortion model)
    Traynor YBA-1
    Fender Bassman head (early silver face or blackface)

    Plus fuzz/OD of your choice.
     
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    Well, not a huge fan of any of those but AIC.
    But I'd think the EVH head's would do it.
     
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    No worries, and thanks for your input. I'm sure there is more to it than what I said in my post but the amp types I mentioned were based on interviews with the bands and various rig rundowns. As you say, I'm sure they use all sorts of stuff in the studio.
     
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    Why?
    Great amp that will get you close to the tones you want.
    I've said it before; for anything other than my 8-string doom/stoner stuff,
    the Katana would work as a THE amp.
     
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