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Amp price hikes, holy smokes

Droptopandy

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A Mesa Boogie Mark IV that cost $800-$900 on the used market a few years ago is now 2k. That spike happened right after the Gibson announcement. Thanks Gibson. :bkw
 

rjung22

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Minimum wage is 15 bucks where I live. In fact , McDonalds now starts people at $16.75 PLUS BENEFITS incl Dental.

Thats CLEARING 600 bucks a week after taxes... if you can’t save TWO WEEKS minimum wages for a $1200 tube amp ( there are many killer amps in this range) , then you arent serious about playing.

You could get a Pod Go for half of that!


Sorry.

Im only 50 and I shake my head at the entitlement mindset consumers have developed over the last decade or two. Everyone wants everything for free . Then complain they don’t make enough. You can’t have it both ways.

Go over to India and see how they live.

People cry about dropping a measely grand for a computer that fits in your pocket and lasts years that you use all day, everyday. My Iphone 8 is still kicking and 4 years old. That means so far this “ overpriced Apple product” has now cost me 56 cents a day, so far. Perspective!

We have become spoiled children.
No one working at McDonald’s should be spending $1200 on a freakin’ guitar amplifier. If that’s how you think, then your perspective is skewed. At $15/hr you can’t even afford your own place in any metropolitan area in this country. Where do you people come up with this nonsense.
 

Wyzard

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No one working at McDonald’s should be spending $1200 on a freakin’ guitar amplifier. If that’s how you think, then your perspective is skewed.
I disagree: it depends on your overall circumstances and time of life. When I was young and mad (well, madder than I am now at least), I ran a very cheap car, and bought gear instead of going on holiday, eating out a lot, or buying new clothes all the time. It involved saving up over months rather than weeks - but in any event, your proscriptions all sound rather joyless to me.

Sure, if you're a middle-aged married guy/woman with kids, a mortgage and little or no talent at this later stage of life, it might be a foolish indulgence.

OTOH, saving up and buying an amp that keeps working and sounds good (and which will see you through a decade or more of playing out when you're starting out) is pretty much what we all did when we were young - once we had some sense of whether we wanted music as an integral part of our lives.
 

gitfiddler99

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No one working at McDonald’s should be spending $1200 on a freakin’ guitar amplifier. If that’s how you think, then your perspective is skewed. At $15/hr you can’t even afford your own place in any metropolitan area in this country. Where do you people come up with this nonsense.
Nonsense? I laid out the net income of a minimum wage against the price of an amp. Are you having a reading comprehension problem?

Dont bitch and whine about how expensive everything is when I show you why it isnt.

WHO OWES ANYONE the right to be able to “ live in any metropolitan area?!?” . Just move if its too much!

You cant set aside ten days labour over a few months for a new tube amp, fine.

You arent that into playing, I guess. Or a new amp isnt worth that sacrifice to you. Thats fine and dandy. But dont tell me its not doable because it is.


You see, back in the old days, people BUDGETED AND SAVED FOR THINGS...

This ancient skill seems to be lost.

People now want instant gratification instead of making a sacrifice.

I have to be able to afford it NOW, or its too much..

These are the same people who spend 5 bucks a day on coffee and complain about not making enough. Hell, cutting that out alone would save you over 1200 a year. Theres your amp! See? Easy.

Tell you what... YOU tell me what a tube amp SHOULD cost.

Then make me one and I will pay you that price.

Deal?

I have already laid out the PROOF that amp pricing HAS NOT outpaced inflation over the last several decades and in most cases have actually gotten more affordable.

The argument that the opposite is happening is a lie.
 
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gitfiddler99

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Median rent in Los Angeles: $2,500 (let's say they have a roommate and can cut this in half to $1,250).
Median cost of employer-sponsored health insurance: $650. Let's assume the person is young and healthy and only pays $400.
Median electricity bill: $85 (presumably it'd be less, though, and cut in half....so let's say $35)
Cheap mobile phone contract: $25
Internet: $50 (split in two, $25)
Median food cost: $250...let's say they're cheap and get away with $175
Median cost of gas/petrol: $250 (let's say they don't drive much and it's only $125, including maintenance)
Savings (because they're a good little boy or girl): $240


In this highly plausible scenario the outgoings are already $2,275, assuming the person has no auto loan. If the person in question does NOTHING for entertainment....ever.....and never needs new clothes, or to buy birthday presents for family, or going out on dates, etc. etc. then they might have a total of about $175 they can put towards that new amp every month. It will take them at least seven months to get enough money to buy it. Is that worth it? Maybe to some people....but not to most.

Man, people are so entitled, aren't they?
Then most people dont want it bad enough. Thats fine.


About the costs outlined...

Rent in LA? 2500 bucks? What part of LA are you talking about?

There are places in the Valley and Orange County that are way less. If you make minimum wage and choose to RENT in an expensive area, then you have made the choice to piss a good chunk of your money on rent. CHOICE. NOT A GIVEN.

Health insurance is not a problem where I live ( “ socialist hell hole “ Canada ) so thats an American problem. You guys dont want socialised medicine so THAT AGAIN IS YOUR CHOICE. Medicaid is still a thing, no?

Food doesnt need to be 250 bucks... budget! Stop eating out .

Internet can be done on phone only.

There are cuts to make all over the ****in place if you want to save for something. But you need to sacrifice if you want something good.

And people who bitch about the cost of living but wont move somewhere else ( like I have, many times) are choosing to suffer. Or downsize. I decided to move into a garage because I didnt want to pay a grand every month. So, I SACRIFICE. I still have the CHOICE to get a studio apartment and blow half my income, but I prefer having more cash in pocket. See? I made a decision and am in control of my life.

Now, if I want a new amp, its doable, but its a tradeoff on my lifestyle. No big deal.

There are workarounds, but you have to use your noggin.


Entitlement has made Americans lazy and soft.
 
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gitfiddler99

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Back to amps - I was getting ready to buy a new Marshall SC20 when I noticed they just went up 20% since September. Ouch! One used one and the guys is selling it for 90% of the new price. Mesa prices have not gone up in recent months.
Fender seems to have increased about 10%
Marshalls went up because of US tariffs on British imports. Well before this inflation spike from Covid. Marshalls are still relatively cheap in Europe.

As political talk is not allowed, I in no way affiliate these tariffs with any particular President , but Google is your friend. Apparently he thought the source country paid them, but most people with basic intelligence understood thats not how tariffs work.

YOU PAY

Enjoy!

( just heard today the current guy is proposing removing these ridiculous tariffs, among all the other BS. So, a glimmer of hope)
 
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Toby Krebs

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People are not going to rush out to stores to buy all that stuff on those container ships off the coast in California.That won’t happen.Gas is just under $5 a gallon in California where you must have wheels to survive.
No more cheap energy/cheap food/cheap lodgings/cheap entertainment etc…I am so glad I lived when I did.

Does anyone remember how they told us 30 years ago that computers would eliminate paper? LMFOWAO!
 

Chocol8

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Median rent in Los Angeles: $2,500 (let's say they have a roommate and can cut this in half to $1,250).
Median cost of employer-sponsored health insurance: $650. Let's assume the person is young and healthy and only pays $400.
Median electricity bill: $85 (presumably it'd be less, though, and cut in half....so let's say $35)
Cheap mobile phone contract: $25
Internet: $50 (split in two, $25)
Median food cost: $250...let's say they're cheap and get away with $175
Median cost of gas/petrol: $250 (let's say they don't drive much and it's only $125, including maintenance)
Savings (because they're a good little boy or girl): $240


In this highly plausible scenario the outgoings are already $2,275, assuming the person has no auto loan. If the person in question does NOTHING for entertainment....ever.....and never needs new clothes, or to buy birthday presents for family, or going out on dates, etc. etc. then they might have a total of about $175 they can put towards that new amp every month. It will take them at least seven months to get enough money to buy it. Is that worth it? Maybe to some people....but not to most.

Man, people are so entitled, aren't they?
If you are dumb enough to live in LA on a McDonalds income, you have to make some serious comprises.

Or, you could work at one of the thousands of McD’s in cities and towns where you can easily rent a place for under $1000, or even buy a home with mortgage payments under $1000.
 

Krausewitz

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If you are dumb enough to live in LA on a McDonalds income, you have to make some serious comprises.

Or, you could work at one of the thousands of McD’s in cities and towns where you can easily rent a place for under $1000, or even buy a home with mortgage payments under $1000.
Should Los Angeles have restaurants?
 

DRS

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Marshalls went up because of US tariffs on British imports. Well before this inflation spike from Covid. Marshalls are still relatively cheap in Europe.

As political talk is not allowed, I in no way affiliate these tariffs with any particular President , but Google is your friend. Apparently he thought the source country paid them, but most people with basic intelligence understood thats not how tariffs work.

YOU PAY

Enjoy!

( just heard today the current guy is proposing removing these ridiculous tariffs, among all the other BS. So, a glimmer of hope)
The irony is I live in Canada. But our prices always piggyback US prices.
 

Chocol8

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Should Los Angeles have restaurants?
If people want to live there while making $16 an hour, that’s fine by me, but don’t whine that you can’t afford an nice amp. You choose to live somewhere where the cost of living is high and your earning power isn’t, its all on you. That’s no different than choosing to buy a new car instead of an amp, or trendy clothes, or weed and coke, or whatever. The amp is affordable as long as you don’t spend your money on other things.
 

gitfiddler99

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People are not going to rush out to stores to buy all that stuff on those container ships off the coast in California.That won’t happen.Gas is just under $5 a gallon in California where you must have wheels to survive.
No more cheap energy/cheap food/cheap lodgings/cheap entertainment etc…I am so glad I lived when I did.

Does anyone remember how they told us 30 years ago that computers would eliminate paper? LMFOWAO!
Dude, gas in Canada has been way over 5 bucks a gallon for over a decade.... and Europe is about 8 to 10 bucks a gallon .

You dont have it bad at all. We all need to drive less anyways. Free lunches are over with the climate ashtray mentality.
 

teofilrocks

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The whole global supply is so whack right now that even my used car value keeps going up. In fact my Carvana quote just from last month to this month went up by $750. All I did was procrastinate! Sold it today.
 

JB6464

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No one working at McDonald’s should be spending $1200 on a freakin’ guitar amplifier. If that’s how you think, then your perspective is skewed. At $15/hr you can’t even afford your own place in any metropolitan area in this country. Where do you people come up with this nonsense.
If you have good credit then you can buy those amps with 0% loans and have 12 months to pay it off .
Just because someone works a job for $15/hr doesn't mean they don't earn enough for personal things , it all depends on your debt to income ratio .
 






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