Amp simulator & DI to remove amp

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  1. rschultz13

    rschultz13 Supporting Member

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    Hi,

    We've been mic'ing the electric guitar amp at church for years. Recently, we've been moving to IEM's and liking the results. Electric guitar is next.

    So I'm looking for an amp simulator & DI, with Fender like clean or mild OD tones - pedals in front. The Tech21 Character series looks interesting, especially the Blonde. But it doesn't have a DI out. How's the Mooer Micro DI?

    The Radial JDX looks interesting, I wonder if you can use it without the speaker hooked up... as in use the amp head into it as the DI. Doubt it.

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. ProfG

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    I made this transition recently. I went with an Ethos preamp and am very satisfied. I run the speaker emulated out of the Ethos into a passive direct box. Sounds huge through the PA.
     
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    AMT F1 legend preamp cheaper, Shift Line Twin V2 pricey but incredible and with tube. Both have cab Sim out
     
  4. rschultz13

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    What about Carl Martin Rock Bug?
     
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    thiscalltoarms more gadgets than Batman. Gold Supporting Member

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    Two Notes Torpedo live and you just plug a tube head into it. No speakers, still tubes, direct, sounds studio pro grade.
     
  6. drbob1

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    How far away is the mixer? The Tech21 pedals can comfortably push a 100' unbalanced line in a quiet environment with no loss of tone or excess noise. So if you're mixer is onstage or you're using a digital send box, then just use a 1/4" line out. If you're sending to the back of the auditorium with a snake, that won't work, but it will push any inexpensive direct box.

    The Palmer Pocket Amp is a Tech21 GT2 with a built in direct box, and cheaper than many direct boxes. Sounds good on cleanish Fender mode. And the Tech21 BassDI is actually good sounding for clean guitar and does have an XLR output.

    If you spend more there are a TON of great sounding alternatives, how much have you got?
     
  7. rschultz13

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    Mixer is a ways away, ultimately need DI... which could be separate, but nicer if it's integrated. Budget is $100-300.

    Mesa Cab Clone looks interesting, requires an amp but has a DI out.
     
  8. joeleric26

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    These guys modded my Tech21 Liverpool and added a DI. They could mod a Blonde the same way. Works great. We've got an iso cab back stage at church and I actually prefer the direct tone. It's not like having an amp on the platform with you, but it does improve the house mix for worship.

    They installed a toggle that turns the pedal on or off in the XLR independent of the footswitch, so I could run out of the 1/4" to an amp with the pedal off and out of the XLR direct to the house with the pedal on. I ran like this when I first got it so I could tweak the pedal settings to match the tone of my actual amp. Since then I've just run the XLR.

    Here's the site.

    http://www.putnamguitars.com/mods.htm

    Here's my board. The second pic shows a closeup of the modded DI.



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  9. joeleric26

    joeleric26 Silver Supporting Member

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    Looking at the Putnam site I see they can add a DI to the Tech 21 FlyRig. I may have to grab one of those for the church just to have as an extra quick backline option.
     
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    Steve Hotra Silver Supporting Member

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    I use a Palmer PD-09 with my pedal board.
    All of the sound mixers ( i lead worship at three different churches) liked my guitar sound.
    Had the Carl Martin Rock Bug, its a nice 2nd choice

    Sorry you are losing your amp.
     
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    I've been playing at church for a long time now, and this is bar none the best solution. We also have a Mesa CabClone and it's ok, but nothing beats the Torpedo Live and a real Tube Amp
     
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    You guys suggesting the Two Notes option are correct in that it's the "best" direct solution, but the original poster set his budget at $100 - $300. If you could point me to where to pick up a Torpedo for $300 bucks, I'll head there immediately with my credit card out.
     
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    ^ I've had several palmers, radial jdx, and the torpedo... While I much prefer a mic, the torpedo cab is an excellent unit. The others with a load box work well as well... Just not AS well as it could;) good luck!
     
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    I am very happy with the Rock Bug, it is very good when it comes to clean sound og almost clean. I am still looking for a cab sim, that really gets the feel and sound of a dirty tube amp. Tech 21 British didn´t do it for me. But you have to remember, when you are going for that cab sim Di box, you need a good quality PA, that can "handle" a guitar signal. My own Dynacord PA loves the Rock bug, but I wouldn´t even dream of using it on the PA, that's in the our band's rehearsel room. It hasn't got the muscle nor sound quality to pull it of :)
     
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    It's called "saving". It is absolutely the best, if you want to continue using your tubes, and have a consistent and professional quality cab emulation direct to the board. If that's not your top priority, then by all means, don't worry about saving.
     
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    I have radial DI's and others. My favorite is the Mooer Micro Di. Plug your pedalboard in it a you are set.
     
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    Ethos Clean for me. By the time I'm running direct, last thing I want to do is haul a tube amp. The Clean has a ton of EQ and a great speaker sim. Add the fusion boost and it's also a great sounding gain pedal. I leave it I'm my chain as a clean boost and just plug the board in when I'm ampless (planned or otherwise). Recently bought a second one for my Nano.

    If I need a DI after the board I use my trusty Radial JDI, but most of the time I can run 1/4 to an appropriate channel on the mixer (ie one the runs line level and bypasses the board's preamp) and a DI isn't necessary.
     
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    theres a pedal version of the ada mp1 now!
     
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    Are the DOD/Digitech pedals with speaker simulated outs a usable option for this? And is the speaker voicing still active when the pedal is in bypass mode?
     

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