Amplification - WE NEED YOU !!!

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  1. amp boy

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    howdy all.
    i hope yer all doing well, and the days are treating you just fine.

    I'm here today posting this call for thoughts on my First Amp build.
    These will be from high quality kits.

    My dilemma is that i need to hear some experienced thoughts on the sound/tone and other or any variances you can think of.....examples of sound i should listen to and so on. I do not have access to these two amps in local shops. Please make suggestions and share your thoughts. I greatly appreciate your time, and value the good folks that i have read the words of here.

    The contenders are the 5E3 Deluxe and the 1974x Marshall 18 watt.
    with note that i would like to build a vox ac15 someday.
    and perhaps my own lil american tribute with a 5F1 Champ, though i want to be able to build my own cabinet for that project, and that's a good year away i'd imagine.

    I would like to ask....do these amps or amp circuits have enough of a difference in tone and sound to them to warrant building them. I guess I'm trying to learn as much as i can....due to that i cannot afford, and would like to try to not overlap myself.

    I will only be playing for the most part for myself. Recording at home (when i figure this part out) No gigs, but perhaps someday. So I'm not thinking over 20 watts, and yes i know 5 is loud.

    In regards to the 1974x, could anyone tell me their thoughts on having Treble,Middle, Bass.....instead of the Tremolo channel. I am not familiar that well with amps with TMB. I do have future plans to build a Weber Reverb/Trem head. So i thought if i choose this route why double on the Trem when i could use that effect box with this amp, and others.

    With the TMB channel, can it be jumper'd to the normal, like how the 5e3 has this ability ??

    Any word on recommended cab/speaker configuration...1x12, 2x12 etc...

    Tonal qualities and so on....the floor is yours....please.

    In regards to the 5E3 Deluxe, the one option that i am interested to incorporate if possible is an ample transformer, and switch to designate the option of 6L6 or 6V6 tubes.

    Tonal qualities and so on........the floor is now afire, so please take to the stage.....

    About myself, if this may help.....

    I am currently assembling my first telecaster....i would rather build and learn than buy, same goes for amps. Just waiting for my Terry Downs dvd in the mail. Nice guy to write to.
    I am a novice guitar player, and i know that. This has never detracted my love of guitar tones in any way. In fact i really know when i hear something i don't like, and something that i do......I'm a bit discerning with sounds.....hence, ya i said hence, my headphones broke some years ago....i have been saving and have given myself the holiday gift of the AKG701's. They are beautiful, and not even warmed up and broken in. Check'm out if you enjoy the "envelope of sound" a set of quality cans can bring.

    I play a gretsch duo jet with bigsby, and soon to be a Tele !!!!!!!
    I'm not much of a stompbox person. I own and love my Durham Electronics Crazy Horse pedal....love it on the bridge position when playing ( some meat to that bite...hahaha). So that is a fuzz/gain pedal of sorts. I have a EH delay pedal, and a wah for fun.
    I currently play through a vox VR30.
    it was the best $200.000CAD clean sound i could find.
    a really good "practice" amp for the money, and sweeter than any of the others i could try. i don't use the two distortion buttons that are on there.
    they turn the sound to....well i call it crap, some may call it cheap gold ??

    The sound that i believe fits my playing style is would be....
    warm clean with grit...but the desire to ramp up when needed to raw, though with volume added. I am not into modern distortion, at least a lot of what i hear in "mainstream commercial" music......in fact i just don't get it.

    My Sound/Tone influences are Neil Young/Sonic Youth.
    I believe Neil's gift of Living With War, is a such a damn good guitar sound.

    So I thank you immensely for your time, and greatly appreciate all that you may say. Please, if you think of something i have not asked or seem to be thinking of, or so on....tell me.
    All refferences and information are most welcome,
    perhaps we can all learn from this.

    Thank you kindly,
    - amp boy
     
  2. BBQLS1

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    Both are beautiful sounding circuits. I think an 18 will be more flexible as it has more volume on tap. The 5E3 is a classic staple of amps and the 18 sounds like a Marshall. Both are capable of a wide range of tones and can produce beautiful overtones. It seems you like to tinker and if so, you will end up building both anyways.

    Richie Hall (plexi on 18watt, I think 67plexi here?) has a 5E3 tone mod for the 18watt which is a little more aggressive sounding on the amp.

    I have a couple of 18 watt builds with just the normal channel and I have a 36W TMB. I don't really think of the TMB as being better at all. The normal channel is voiced really well and once you dial it in, you just use the guitars tone pot and it is very flexible.
     
  3. amp boy

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    Thanks BBQ,
    I would say i'm just trying to figure out which to build first....because though i plan to learn about and build more, the first amp is going to have to satisfy for quite some time till i could afford the next one. My aim is to do one build a year. So 2008 is the first, and this will be my first real amp too.
    The amp builds will be offset though, 'cause i know sooner or later I'll find some guitar calling me.
    Originally i was to do my first build last summer......but out of nowhere i got smacked by the...why not put together a telecaster idea ??
    So now that that is coming to completion a real amp is needed.

    Today a good dude on the TGP sent me an email to notify me of the Allen Hot Fudge with Nuts, and yes that's an amp.
    http://www.allenamps.com/hotfudge.php

    if anyone also has some thoughts on this amp that would be great to hear.
    I'm trying to grasp the sound in my head....and having some difficulty due to just not having the opportunity to hear various amp circuits.

    any descriptions and/or advice is greatly appreciated....regarding any of this.

    thank you.
     
  4. Fifthstone

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    One thing about the Fender tweed amps is that there's not much room in the chassis. It's really tight in there. Just something to consider.
     
  5. amp boy

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    wow, you got a lot of amps 5thStone.....i mean wow !!!!
    ya, i have heard that about tweeds, though once it's built and done, and i'm happy with it, the squeeze in there won't be a bother anymore....until i gotta fix something. my thoughts on trem and reverb, are of using an external unit, not to mod it into the existing head or combo.
     
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    Could anyone chime in on this and/or the differences in sound of the 5E3 tweed deluxe and the 6G3 Brown deluxe ??
    I've never played a brown, and am interested in what you knowledgeable folks would have to say about it.
     
  7. Crikey

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    I've heard a couple of variations on the 5E3 tweed Deluxe, and it's a great sound and a great circuit. As you know if you love Neil Young's tone and want the flexibility to put 6L6s in your 5E3, the 5E3 is what he uses. If I'm not mistaken, your Crazy Horse pedal is intended to provide a sort of "5E3 at the edge of meltdown" kind of sound.

    I have not personally heard a brown Deluxe, although I've heard and liked another amp that is tonally inspired by it. The most frequent tonal referent people use to the brown Deluxe is how similar it sounds to a vintage Marshall. That has me interested in hearing a brown Deluxe and/or Allen Hot Fudge with Nuts as well.

    Personally I've been attracted to the idea of building an amp, but avoiding it, because I have limited free time and I could see myself getting way into it and losing my guitar playing time to amp tinkering.

    Good luck with your decision! The amps you have mentioned are all classic circuits, and I don't think you can go wrong. You will probably do them all eventually, anyway!


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  8. Lonely Raven

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    I can't comment on the 5E3 deluxe vs 6G3 Brown. I never cared much for the brown fender amps...pretty much the tweeds and especially the mid '60s blackface fenders.

    As for which amp to build, I think the 5E3 would be an challenging but educational start for you. Typically I recommend people start on the 5F1 circuit. It's inexpensive to build a *really* nice one, and will get you prepaired for the bigger builds.

    I'm a total beginner, but I've built several Champs (both black and tweed), two deluxes, a super reverb and a trainwreck. I still say the Champs were the most educational for a beginner, especially if you have tubes and parts to swap into the circuit to get a feel for what does what and how it effects tone.

    I currently have an 18watt TMB I bought at a killer deal (complete built chassis for about the cost of parts!). I regret not building it up myself, but I wanted to see what the 18 watt side of things felt like. There is a great community at 18watt.com and lots of tweaking can be done on the 18watt Marshall. It's a very flexable amp, more than I expected honestly!

    So start out small and work your way up. If you enjoy doing it, then there is a good chance you'll do them all eventually (as I am now).
     

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