I don't get it: amplike and NOT amp sim? Can't a dirt box to be also an amp sim?
Amplike sounding Dirt boxes straight through cab sim, NOT preamps or amp sim pedals,
Curious, this would exclude pedals like amt amp pedals, Sans amp, character pedals, or even exclude preamps w/o cab sims like the boogie Vtwin
I didn't even see a question in the OP. In fact, I'm not sure there was even a complete thought.
Well it seems you're a bit confused...
An OD/Distortion stomp is basically a stripped-down, simplified preamp section of an amp. It adds a gain-stage to your chain. Some amps have 4-ch. with multiple gain and preamp stages, so it's redundant using another OD.
Basically you're asking what it would sound like to run a Tube Screamer into a power amp and speaker with zero EQ/preamp-gain section. Or putting the OCD through an EHX Magnum 44 (a completely simplified power amp) into the cab of your choice (Marshall 4x12, let's say). Honestly, it will "work" fine, but you're just limiting tonal options. If you're gigging, you might as well just get the amp modeler (at least a Zoom MS50, best deal IMO) for some EQ/channel/reverb options.
Now to further answer your question, I use a Riot with my G3 Zoom's Fender amp (basically with flat EQ, mainly using the cab), and it sounds fine. Not gonna brag about my direct tone, it's serviceable/good, but not great. It sounds better once I put an EQ in the chain (which an amp sim provides, as well as a clean preamp/boost).
The Riot's an interesting pedal. Stacking it with other gain pedals/channels is a disaster, but it's great on a clean platform (Fender Twin) for a silky high-gain... even running it direct into my Palmer PDI09's cab Sim into my mixer (which has EQ/preamp), it sounds good. Again, not gonna replace a Suhr/Splawn/Mesa head with many EQs, channels, gain stages and gigantic transformers and tubes.... but it does well. So yes, the idea works fine.
The Riot's a 1-trick pony though. Doesn't do low/mid gain well...
To clear everything up, pedals with cab sims are just giving you more EQ knobs and gain stages to have more tonal options. It's not voodoo to bypass or double up on those options. Just need to find a chain that works for you. A poweramp's is simply to transparently boost your clean signal and send a speaker load. The power amp does play a key role in making good tube amps "feel" and cut better.
Riot -> Torpedo CAB (which has power amp modeling) with a good 4x12 IR would probably make for a very quality high-gain metal tone. If you're playing rock n roll or blues, ya probably want the Sansamp or something instead.
Very enlightening thanks.Well it seems you're a bit confused...
An OD/Distortion stomp is basically a stripped-down, simplified preamp section of an amp. It adds a gain-stage to your chain. Some amps have 4-ch. with multiple gain and preamp stages, so it's redundant using another OD.
Basically you're asking what it would sound like to run a Tube Screamer into a power amp and speaker with zero EQ/preamp-gain section. Or putting the OCD through an EHX Magnum 44 (a completely simplified power amp) into the cab of your choice (Marshall 4x12, let's say). Honestly, it will "work" fine, but you're just limiting tonal options. If you're gigging, you might as well just get the amp modeler (at least a Zoom MS50, best deal IMO) for some EQ/channel/reverb options.
Now to further answer your question, I use a Riot with my G3 Zoom's Fender amp (basically with flat EQ, mainly using the cab), and it sounds fine. Not gonna brag about my direct tone, it's serviceable/good, but not great. It sounds better once I put an EQ in the chain (which an amp sim provides, as well as a clean preamp/boost).
The Riot's an interesting pedal. Stacking it with other gain pedals/channels is a disaster, but it's great on a clean platform (Fender Twin) for a silky high-gain... even running it direct into my Palmer PDI09's cab Sim into my mixer (which has EQ/preamp), it sounds good. Again, not gonna replace a Suhr/Splawn/Mesa head with many EQs, channels, gain stages and gigantic transformers and tubes.... but it does well. So yes, the idea works fine.
The Riot's a 1-trick pony though. Doesn't do low/mid gain well...
To clear everything up, pedals with cab sims are just giving you more EQ knobs and gain stages to have more tonal options. It's not voodoo to bypass or double up on those options. Just need to find a chain that works for you. A poweramp's is simply to transparently boost your clean signal and send a speaker load. The power amp does play a key role in making good tube amps "feel" and cut better.
Riot -> Torpedo CAB (which has power amp modeling) with a good 4x12 IR would probably make for a very quality high-gain metal tone. If you're playing rock n roll or blues, ya probably want the Sansamp or something instead.
. . . why it is that pedals which purport to be preamps (with cab sims defeated or none) that sound great through a power amp or active FRFR sound like **** through normal amps.
Could it be that the EQs on those preamp pedals disagree too much w/a normal amp?
Haha. Completely agree with Elric here. You (OP) can't be arsed to word a real, sufficiently precise question and basically expect people to even interpret your noun phrases in the right way before they can help you. And if someone points it out, you get grumpy.
Yeah, some people will (by chance) understand you - maybe because they're trained, having toddlers at home that go "eat!" and "ball?"... but if you want to address a bigger crowd, you may want to reconsider your way of communicating.![]()