Discussion in 'The Pub' started by paul1122, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. cadduc

    cadduc Member

    Jan 6, 2006
    My kid's first pediatrician and his wife, called to make an appointment to discuss an opportunity.
    It was the last time we saw him or her.
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  2. Peteyvee

    Peteyvee Premium Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2010
    Just East of Venice Beach
    A good friend of mine's parents were into it in the '70s and they made some money at it because they got in early. I needed to borrow his Super Reverb for a film scoring gig at UCLA. When I showed up at his house, there were about 50 people in his living room and when I walked in, some clown at a chalkboard (this was the '70s) said "Welcome! Please state your name and your goal in life."

    I looked at him and said "My name is PeteyVee and tonight my goal in life is not to be late to my gig. It's certainly not to listen to a sales pitch. Thank you very much and if you'll excuse me, I must get going." If looks could kill I'd be dead...anyway, he handed me the Super and I was out of the house in 2 minutes. To this day, a running joke between us is "Please state your name and your goal in life."
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  3. JK1965

    JK1965 Silver Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2016
    York Pa
    Complete and total scam. Classic cult tactics used to hook, brainwash and control its victims. There is a good reason that discussing money or "your business" with any other "business owner" is strictly forbidden. They would all quickly figure out that nobody is making any real money and that most of them are losing tons of it. Even the amount of income they claim is the norm at a given level is total BS.

    If they are making money at all its poverty level stuff.

    The owners doing some charitable things to look good is a joke. Its a pittance to them. They are well aware of the billions they have bilked out of unsuspecting victims and they continue to perpetuate what should be criminal. They have destroyed families and lives. Those at the top of this pyramid are evil to the core. Many of them with ties to the TV evangelist racket. Its about nothing but bleeding every victim dry and finding new ones.

    This is not the slightest exaggeration either.
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  4. Fishyfishfish

    Fishyfishfish Member

    Jul 9, 2013
    Herbal life is a lot better...
  5. GrungeMan

    GrungeMan Supporting Member

    May 20, 2006
    The view from Ice Lake in The Great White North
    I'll have what William Macy is selling, "Door to Door"...
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2018
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  6. White Limo

    White Limo Member

    Jul 12, 2016
    I would also urge anyone thinking of getting involved with these schemes to stay far away. All of what's been said above is true - but there is another inherent flaw in the model that hasn't been mentioned and is among the major differences between pyramid schemes like Amway and legitimate companies: Every legitimate company realizes that in order to attract good sales people and keep them, they need to have defined sales territories, so that they don't compete with each other: They only compete with competitors.

    So while, yes, in a legitimate enterprise, a senior sales manager might benefit from the success of his salespeople, it is within a structure that is not inherently self-defeating. (Among other major differences - like a legitimate company doesn't make you buy inventory, pay for sales training, etc. - they pay you to take sales training, and they fund all the inventory themselves - because it is valuable, unlike Amway and friends.)

    Pyramid schemes, on the other hand, seek to create an unlimited recruiting chain with no defined sales territories - thus making sure that each additional recruit reduces the probability of all prior recruits becoming successful. The reason for doing this is simple: There is very little end demand for their products at the prices they offer them. Herbalife, for example, is priced far higher than any comparable product.

    If you have a product that does not sell, but you want money, you need lots of recruits, and lots of other things to sell them (i.e., bogus training tapes, seminars, etc.) - and then you need to encourage them to do the same so they can make money, and so on.

    Please beware all!
  7. paulvcarter

    paulvcarter Member

    Feb 13, 2011
    new york
    Don't do it, nobody makes money other than the very very top people. It is a scam that preys on the poor.

    It should be banned, I believe some countries have banned it.
  8. Dirty_Tones

    Dirty_Tones Member

    Jun 29, 2017
    Shire of Frodo
    Young Living Essential Oils in another cultist pyramid racket. Whoo wee!
  9. cutaway

    cutaway Supporting Member

    Jul 24, 2009
    North Carolina
    I can't believe with the internet people still fall for this bull$hit. It takes less than a minute to read all about these scams and the people who have lost everything due to these cons.
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  10. jammybastard

    jammybastard "I'm losing my edge, but I was there..."

    Jan 14, 2005
    In Transit
  11. art_z

    art_z Supporting Member

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    Advocare seems to be the same thing. Wife’s cousin and ex husband got into it. Anytime we saw them at family functions it was nonstop Advocare pitch.
  12. Serdontos

    Serdontos Member

    Oct 12, 2014
    I used to get my oil changed regularly at a small local 1 man owner/operator shop.

    I went in one day and while he had my car on the lift, he gave me the full on Amway spiel. It was like invasion of the body snatchers, like somebody put an Amway pod beside his bed one night. I couldn't get out of there quick enough.

    I never returned, and since then do all my own oil changes now.

    Amway Zombies
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  13. Timboguitar

    Timboguitar Member

    Apr 1, 2011
    I can tell an Amway pitch in less than 45 sec. No. I'm not gonna sell Amway sh%t FOR you. No, I'm not gonna buy Amway sh%t FROM you. And NO NO NO, I'm not gonna recruit Amway sellers either. Goodbye!!! I'd much rather spend half an afternoon with Jehovah's Witnesses. (And I have!!)
  14. Chris Scott

    Chris Scott Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Playa Jaco, Costa Rica
    A-yup. "...c'mon people, get in on the ground floor!"

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