Ancestors of Boss dirt

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  1. drabombs

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    I love me some Boss dirt and I know the FZ-2 is a Superfuzz copy of sorts. Are there any other Boss dirt pedals that are clones? I can't find much on the web about this.
     
  2. Dr.Picklebottom

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    id be interested to hear anything to the contrary but i had the impression most of theirs are relatively original. i know the sd1 is similiar to the TS, etc.
     
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    I think the Boss MT-2 harkens back to the prehistoric species of bees that used to roam with the dinosaurs.
     
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    I believe the SD-1 may have come before the TS. The SD-1 has asymmetrical clipping, which Boss/Roland patented, so the TS used symmetrical clipping.

    I would guess the Boss OD-1 wasn't a clone of anything, but perhaps some of the later circuits, like the OD-2 or SD-1 were derived from those.
     
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  5. Coldacre

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    the TS-808 (1979) came out 2 years before the SD-1 (1981).

    the OD-1 pre-dates them both, coming out in 1977.
     
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    Hmm, okay. Does the OD-1 have asymmetrical clipping? Am I right about the patent thing?
     
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    The OD-1 does indeed have asymmetrical clipping, just like the SD-1. And I have also heard the story about the patent, but only as a story - I have yet to see any concrete evidence of it. Using diodes to introduce clipping in a signal was not anything new in 1977, and doing it with an uneven number of diodes would just be a different application of existing technology. That sort of thing would be really hard (if not impossible) to be granted a patent on. But stranger things have happened, so who knows? I haven't seen the patent in question, at least.

    I suspect the main reason Boss went for 2+1 diodes while Ibanez used 1+1 has to do with the gain structure around the diodes. The Boss has about twice as much gain available, so they could go for a higher clipping threshold, while the Ibanez needs the lower clipping threshold to get enough distortion out of it.
     
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  8. charmonder

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    FZ-3 is related to tone bender , it's like a silicon version
     
  9. charmonder

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    Oh yeah, this one may cause debate, but the OS-2 distortion side is similar to RAT if you look at the schematic
     
  10. drabombs

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    Interesting replies so far, thanks!
     
  11. drabombs

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    Any other info? Say on the HM-2, DS-1 or DS-2?
     
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    I have always felt Boss were pretty innovative with what they put out! Unlike so many pedal companies now that just seem to be putting out another supposedly superior version of something that has already been done including many of the Boss pedals.
     
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  13. drabombs

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    Yep, seems to be true.
     

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