Another blackface fender question...

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  1. inscho

    inscho Senior Member

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    I know some of you are probably sick of me asking question about my bandmaster, but I have another one for ya :)

    Amp Emporium has a avatar open back 2x12 with the celestion vintage 30 and g12h30 wired to 8 ohms. Would this be a pretty good cabinet for my 67 bandmaster? Or should I just save up another $80 and go with a avatar 2x12 with greenbacks?

    Thanks Again Guys!
     
  2. Jon Silberman

    Jon Silberman 10Q Jerry & Dickey Gold Supporting Member

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    According to the Fender Amps Field Guide, a Bandmaster wants to see a 4 ohm load (e.g., 2 X 8 ohms wired in parallel).

    http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/index.html

    Happy Avatar 2X12H open back owner here, I love mine. Mine has a pair of 16 ohm Classic Lead 80s in parallel for an 8 ohm load. I use it with my Traynor YBA-1 head.

    Question for ya: what tones are you shooting for? I think a pair of Jensens or Alltones would sound great with your Bandmaster head. The options you cite here would frankly not occur to me with a Bandmaster head but hey, it all depends on what you're shooting for.

    P.S. Sorry, you'll have to ask many more Bandmaster questions to get any of us here sick of you. ;) :D
     
  3. inscho

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    I'll do my best to describe to tone I am shooting for.....

    I play "indie" rock. I am currently using my visual sounds jekyll and hyde for my overdrive, using the jekyll/ts808 for my overdrive and the hyde side for a boost. I set the gain at about 9 o'clock with the tone at about 3 o'clock. I use an epiphone casino as my main guitar. I am looking for a cab that can help me get to the light breakup that I am used to from the pedal. I haven't had hardly anytime playing with my head so far, but from what I read it does a nice breakup at about 6 so I want speakers that have a nice breakup. I want pronounced mids but with fairly tight bass.

    I do not have any experience with speaker selection, so everything I mentioned was off of previous recommendations. So load me up with as much information as you can toss at me please!

    Does this help? I never really thought about how to describe my tone before. If you have heard Ted Leo and the Pharmacists, I really love his guitar tone. He uses a sheraton, dual showman, with bassman cab.
     
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    Loking for classical blackface sound, i would never go to that pair: that is a classical rock configuration using Marshall.

    I'd study Jensen like possibilities (Webber, Eminence, etc).
     
  5. inscho

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    I emailed Ted Weber when I was looking at a 1210 cab, he recommended a 25w weber 12f150 and a 30w 10a25.

    Would a 1210 be a good idea to go with? If so what is an inexpensive cab I should look for (new or used) to house them? 2x12 and get an adapter?
     
  6. Jose Luis Garci

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    I don't know, sorry, but anyway, Ted Webber is a very good person to recieve advices from ...;)
     
  7. Jon Silberman

    Jon Silberman 10Q Jerry & Dickey Gold Supporting Member

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    inscho, did you understand what I meant about the head wanting to see a 4 ohm load?
     
  8. inscho

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    yeah I knew it is supposed to have an 4 ohm load, but I played it through an 8ohm cab before. Plus Vintage Fender amps can take the load difference pretty well from what I understood. I was just looking for a cheap alternative, I am pretty sure now that I won't get the used avatar cab.
     
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    Speakers - Try some Texas Heats. I put some in a cab I used with a bandmaster and every body liked them alot.

    Not to expensive ether.
     
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    Yes! And somebody's got a pair of them on the Amps and Cabs Emporium right now! And they are 8 ohms each, so they can be wired for a total load of 4 ohms. Perfect!
     
  11. inscho

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    well I pm'd the guy, and at that price its hard to pass up

    thanks for the heads up!



    anyone else had any experience with the texas heats?
     
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    I had a pair of Texas Heats in my Pro Reverb and they're GREAT speakers for Fenders.
     
  13. inscho

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    well I am buying them, thanks guys!
     
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    They can, but you're losing treble frequency response (and picking dynamics) to the mismatch. You're also putting stress on the OT when the amp is turned up to clipping volume which it really wasn't designed to handle over the long haul.

    Good luck with the new cones, and please post a review once you've had a chance to work them in- lots of folks own old bf/sf heads and might be interested in the newer Eminence product.
     
  15. inscho

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    I will post my opinions after I get them hooked up.

    Now the question is....

    open back or close back?:jo
     
  16. Tinman

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    James, I am the guy who is selling you the Texas Heats. I would go with an open back. Texas Heats have plenty of thump for open back combos or cabs. I think a closed back cab would be too far of a departure from the blackface sound you're looking for.
     
  17. inscho

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    thanks for the advice and the speakers!
     

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