Any thread on 9/11 Texas mattress commercial yet?

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by the Tick, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. cj_wattage

    cj_wattage Supporting Member

    Messages:
    6,595
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Location:
    Hopatcong, NJ
    Well good for him. But it could just as easily have gone the other way. It's risky taking a stand and speaking your mind. Sometimes it goes good, sometimes not. But either way, you are free to speak.
     
    Hallogallo likes this.
  2. twinrider1

    twinrider1 Member

    Messages:
    13,797
    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2005
    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    They have every right to make a moronic commercial. I gave up being surprised or shocked by idiots long ago.
     
  3. Jamalot

    Jamalot Member

    Messages:
    8,210
    Joined:
    May 28, 2015
    I didn't say I was "A-OK" with Kaepernick. I asked you if you felt both items were equally offensive.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2016
  4. CRAIG4FSU

    CRAIG4FSU Whatever... Silver Supporting Member

    Messages:
    27,713
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Location:
    South East, USA, Earth
    Very true. Freedom to do so. Not freedom from reprisal.
     
    cj_wattage likes this.
  5. Nurk2

    Nurk2 "Ignore Everybody" ~Hugh MacLeod

    Messages:
    8,081
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Location:
    Upstate NY
    And that's OK...because we don't need that stupid book larnin' anyhow.
     
    Fred Farkus likes this.
  6. T Dizz

    T Dizz Member

    Messages:
    19,849
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2015
    Location:
    Erotic City MN
  7. EricPeterson

    EricPeterson Member

    Messages:
    49,045
    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Location:
    Under the Big Sky
    You have created a false dichotomy, first people are free to have a problem with both, Also in terms of the first amendment I think there meaningful distinctions between protest speech and commercial speech, but aside from legal issues, I think it is perfectly reasonable to give more leeway in allowing someone to express anger, frustration, and protest perceived injustice and still have a problem with crass commercialism.
     
    BADHAK, Charlie48, lp_bruce and 5 others like this.
  8. lhallam

    lhallam Member

    Messages:
    16,645
    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2004
    Location:
    Lost
    Everyone thinks they are a comedian.
     
  9. the Tick

    the Tick Member

    Messages:
    1,184
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2016
    I am still stumped by who they thought their target audience was :dunno
     
  10. Jason_77

    Jason_77 Member

    Messages:
    7,028
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA
    Actually, they fought and died for Kap's right to do exactly what he did.
     
    BADHAK, hambone3x3, lp_bruce and 13 others like this.
  11. A-Bone

    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

    Messages:
    98,733
    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2007
    Location:
    ATL
    Didn't John Oliver do a bit on his show last year concerning bad advertising related to the 9/11 anniversary?
     
  12. Chippertheripper

    Chippertheripper Supporting Member

    Messages:
    3,561
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2012
    Location:
    S.E. mass
    People aren't happy unless there's something to be "outraged" over.
     
  13. the Tick

    the Tick Member

    Messages:
    1,184
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2016
    I am sure they knew it would put them on a national stage...but by making light of a national tragedy? Lacking business foresight as well as taste...
     
    sixstringfuel and CRAIG4FSU like this.
  14. CRAIG4FSU

    CRAIG4FSU Whatever... Silver Supporting Member

    Messages:
    27,713
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Location:
    South East, USA, Earth
    Understatement, eh?

    That is,,,,,,,, wow.
     
    the Tick likes this.
  15. JoeB63

    JoeB63 Supporting Member

    Messages:
    12,992
    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Odd comparison. One is a TV commercial that's in bad taste, so people have pointed that out and, I suppose, they will stop running it, by their choice (they are free to keep paying to run it). The other is a guy staging a peaceful, personal protest about a serious cause related to human rights, in which he believes. Even if you disagree with his point of view, if you're offended by what he's doing, or not doing, that's your problem.
     
  16. the Tick

    the Tick Member

    Messages:
    1,184
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2016
    Maybe they do a lot of international mail order mattress sales...
     
  17. Dotneck

    Dotneck Member

    Messages:
    2,773
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2004
    Location:
    Raleigh, North Carolina
    The 49ers ownership must not agree with you...the CEO announced they are donating $1 million to a couple groups to fight racial & economic inequality in support of Kopernik.
     
    BADHAK and seajay like this.
  18. dansworld

    dansworld Member

    Messages:
    4,011
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2015
    Location:
    Florida
    This is a false equivalence. Protest is covered under the first amendment and is in line with our long held tradition of questioning our leaders, laws and conventions. Differing viewpoints are equally acceptable and part of our country's ongoing dialog and subsequent socio-political evolution.

    Parody of tragic events is also free speech, however at the risk of being perceived as extremely disrespectful to the victims and their families. Yes, you have the right to do it but the act will most certainly hurt a lot of grieving people. There is no bigger picture to consider nor social comment suggested or implied. It's just mean spirited and (sometimes) intended to offend, maybe to make a point but often not. Common decency should dictate against these displays.

    If it was ok to do so then there would be skits about the Holocaust or Sandy Hook or whatever; decorum and respect usually weigh over free speech rights in these circumstances.
     
    BADHAK, Charlie48, cj_wattage and 3 others like this.
  19. Redub

    Redub Supporting Member

    Messages:
    5,417
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2014
    Location:
    USA
    I see it as very disrespectful.

    In any case, the kind of "protest" that Kap has engaged in is, IMO, too general in nature. That is why their is a public reaction that is often negative. Who specifically is he calling out? He has the podium so he should articulate and be specific.
    He stated "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," as the reasoning for the sit down. Accusing "the country" of oppression is a stretch.
    Yes, he also said "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." What does that have to do with the national anthem? My point is he would be better off using his power and fame to directly tackle his perception of issues in law enforcement versus disrespecting the flag and the perceived disrespecting of troops that in US society is so tied to that flag/anthem. I think the latter is an established norm/view, thus my disagreement with your view around whether it is disrespectful.
     
    Jamalot likes this.
  20. the Tick

    the Tick Member

    Messages:
    1,184
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2016
    I think it becomes complicated. Is it disrespectful to protest something you feel is disrespectful? There seems to be a legitimate argument that the ideology behind the anthem is not being lived up to on a national scale. So singing it, but not truly believing it, or living by it, turns out to be disrespectful to those who have served to protect it.
     
    BADHAK, Charlie48, seajay and 3 others like this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice