Anybody prefer analog/tape delay simulators to analog delay?

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  1. Agileguy_101

    Agileguy_101 Member

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    So I'm in the process of putting together a mini board. I ordered a Wombtone for my phaser (super stoked on that), I picked up a Fet Driver for my dirt/boost, and I've got a Trombetta Bone Machine for my fuzz, though I may pick up something else just to have something I can switch in and out. Now for my delay, I decided that I wanted to go for an analog tap tempo delay. I thought about going for a Memory Lane Jr, which I had for a long time and I would consider close enough to analog (and also amazing at everything) but I found a good deal on a JHS Panther Cub so I bought that instead.

    Well it was waiting for me when I got home from work. I plugged it in and messed around with it for an hour or two... and honestly, I remember being far more happy with my ML Jr, and even my old El Capistan. The repeats, while great in character, just don't melt the way I wanted them to, like they did on my Diamond/Strymon units. I connected with those immediately, but I didn't do so with the Panther Cub. Maybe I need to play it at more than bedroom volume? Either way it's no big deal because I kind of anticipated this may happen and pulled the trigger on an El Capistan that I found for a pretty good deal. At least this way, I'll be able to compare them back to back, though tbh I'll probably end up selling the JHS because the El Cap is perfect at what it does. And the favorite switch.

    So, back to the question - do you ever prefer the tone of an analog simulated delay over an actual analog delay, or a tape simulator over a tape delay? I've owned a Memory Boy, a Panther Cub, an El Capistan, a Timeline, and an H9, and so far I like digital simulations more than analog. Call me cray
     
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    I love the IDEA of analog delay. But in practice I general prefer the no-noise higher fidelity repeats. Or the ability to make it hi-fi or lo-fi.
     
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    No.

    Played through a real tape delay a decade ago or so, which was awesome, but relatively clean and fat, not like simulators with their damaged tape type setting with the cheesy modulation.
     
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    I agree Snouter...I don't really get the dark-ish, knackerd, over-modulatoed tape sims. They were supposed to be really crisp and clean sounding.
     
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    Nothing crazy about it! I actually prefer digital delay in a band mix to analog. Whatever works best for you is what you should use.
     
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    I use tape and I'm not a big fan of tape sims, although they definitely have their place and many sound great. As everything else they have strengths and weaknesses: it's a big discussion that has been had millions of times, so I won't really play the role of tape sims advocate here, but are you really saying you are comparing something you played once a decade ago to the tape sims of today?
     
  7. RCCola

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    +1

    I'm an Ibanez AD80 guy. Own two. Have owned 4 over the years. They're all different.

    But, the repeats are sometimes too warm.

    I've been looking for something clearer but not sterile like a lot of digital.

    I think Strymon is the closest - warm yet clear. I owned a Pigtronix, DMB, Malekko Dark, and Timeline. The Pigtronix was noisy (white noise). I think the DMB sounded just ok - not what I hoped for for the price. The dBucket delays in the Timeline didn't sound much like an AD80 and I wasn't using all the other features as much as I thought I would.

    I'm also interested in the El Capistan. And I'm really excited to see what Effectrode comes out with for their tube delay. I have their Tube Vibe and it puts other vibes to shame, imo.

    I still have an old late 80s Boss DD-3 for clear repeats.
     
  8. G22

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    It depends on how you're using it. In my case I have a progressive band where I need to change my settings often where I use lots of different delays. That said I need a midi delay, I've chose the Timeline for the dbucket setting. Well if I had the place I would think of a vintage DMM.
     
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    I guess I could say "yes" because I preferred and kept the Belle Epoch over the Carbon Copy I had.
     
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    I have a 1979 Roland Space Echo. Does it sound better than tape sims? Yes. But, it isn't night and day, it's fractionally better. Maybe 10-15%.

    But, I can't put it on my pedal board and plug it into a 9-volt. I'd never part with it b/c in a studio it sounds amazing and just has a richness to it that can't be emulated. The preamp and literally recording your guitar to magnetic tape and then back to the amp adds a warmth and compression that they haven't been able to emulate yet. Just my opinion.
     
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    I guess I'd have to say yes. I've had analog delays and digital delays, and a big chip DD3 modded to sound more analog, but I've settled on a Deep Blue Delay. While it is a digital delay, I compared it to an Echoplex (which sounded just about perfect, except it was really noisy) and while it wasn't identical, it had the warm, round tone of a tape delay without the noise.
     
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    +1
    & i'm hooked on tap-tempo.
     
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    Yes, although I've never had the Maxin AD900/999 which has such a good rep.

    I have however owned or played a Carbon Copy, DM-2, Ibanez Ad-D and ADL.

    I actually made a thread a while back about actually preferring the Echopark's sound over many of the real analong and most of the 'true' tape replicating delays.
     
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    Belle Epoch and Echorec.
     
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    This is a pretty fair assessment as I also owned an old Space Echo. Miss those warm repeats and have yet to find any simulator that replicates it. Some are decent and, like you said, get pretty close. Again in a live situation it isn't as noticeable as it is in a recording.
     
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    +1 on tape delay digital simulator over analog delay
     
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    The day I posted here, I read another thread saying how good the El Capistan is but also how good the Skreddy is. That day, I was able to pick up a Skreddy Echo off the Emporium.

    Gotta say, it's my favorite delay I've owned/tried. Warmth of analog but clarity of digital. It has a shimmer that builds underneath as you continue to play.
     
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    I have owned a Carbon Copy (twice), the legendary DM-2, as well as several digital boxes with an analog voicing or setting (Boss DD7, 20), MLjr, Dual Tap Delay... and apparently I just don't connect with the analog delay sound, whether true analog or emulated. What do I like? In general, my favourite delay sound is the DD20 mod setting, and the tape setting for a warmer sound.
     
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    I have a recently gone-over RE-201 that I really like, but I am not sure it's 100% on point. I've been debating sending it to specialist to double check.

    Despite the volume drop and murkiness, it really does sound special to my ears.

    BUT... I have an Empress tape delay on my board and a Moog 104M. They are reliable, and less stress.
     
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    Real tape units are my favorite. Like what's going on with the higher end.
    I liked digi delays for years because of the high end but the repeat recycling was too sterile and samply like. No self oscillation either. Fortunately some builders now have addressed this issue.
    Analog chips are generally too dark for my taste (even though I love my Memory Man).
    Went thru various types and the El Cap is the one I use the most.
    The petal that perplexes me the most is the Moggerfooger analog delay. The repeats sound like someone threw a giant blanket over a speaker. Matter of taste I guess. $679 :huh
     

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