Anyone else realize this with Strats?

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  1. Drifting

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    Well, for the first time in a while I got the chance to crank my amp to ten:):bong

    I'm running through a Bassman-ish head with a 2x12 cab.(Weber Ceramic Blue Dog, Celestion Greenback) The strat has Fat 50's.

    With the tone pots rolled back on the guitar, I was getting this really sticky, almost humbucker like sound! It just surprised me how different the tone pots react at such high volumes. Obviously the harsh high end was removed, but this real, sticky characteristic, in some way like a tele bridge came through. I know, it's hard to make a guitar sound bad on an amp at 10, but I just thought this was interesting, just how different the character of the sound changed. The bridge with the tone between 2 and 4 was really satisfying sounding, very tele like :cool: ! Just smacking an A chord was awesome....

    I originally got the idea from something Jeff Beck had said. I recall someone in one of the many threads about him, quoting him saying that with the treble on 10, and the bridge tone on 0, he got a real unique sound. I think I know what he was talking about:phones


    I have yet to put in some good CTS pots, as the ones in my guitar are crappy, and I still have some old blown out sovtek 5881's that need to go as well, so I'm looking forward to how it will sound with these improvements.

    Sorry if I'm late to the party on this, I just thought it was cool. I'd tried messing around with the knobs on my strat with less success previously, but this was a real revelation. The clean sound w/ the vol. on 5-6 was real cool as well.

    I've just been SO damn frustrated with my sound for the last year and a half, this along with some recent pedal purchases for low volume affairs has made me happy.
     
  2. marsos52

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    so i see a attenuator in your future
     
  3. Drifting

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    I know :puh:messedup:jo

    I didn't mean this to be a "cranked amps sound great" thread,
    it was just cool how different the tone pots reacted at the higher volume levels.
     
  4. thesjkexperienc

    thesjkexperienc ^^^ I made this guitar^^^

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    Consider getting a great 5 watt amp. My wife has a tweed champ and I just picked up a Swart space tone reverb - tweed (5 watts and reverb). ONe channel and pure power tube goodness. The Swart is a monster. cant wait to take that to the next blues jam.
     
  5. guitarfish

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    Gain all the way up, neck position, tone all the way down - Clapton called it the "woman tone". It's incredible!
     
  6. Guitar Slinger6

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    Crank the amp and roll the guitar volume down, heaven!
     
  7. Drifting

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    I've had my eyes on that amp for some time. Don't have the money though. Absolutely killer.
     
  8. zenfreud

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    Dang, rolling the tone down more than a little bit has always produced what I call "mud tone". Not trying to be a smart aleck, just calling it like I see it.

    I've always run the tone pots wide open or close, and backed the treble down on the amp. The amp will generally have a lower noise floor too.
     
  9. guitarfish

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    Try it like I said - gain all the way up, neck pos, tone all the way down - you'll hear it cry and wail !!
     
  10. Drifting

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    To compensate for muddiness Clapton would run all EQ, treble, bass, and mid at 10. Probably through a plexi of sorts, don't think he had his JTM45 at that point. Volume dimed of course.
     
  11. doyle o'brian

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    I think it's cool to experiment with extreme settings on guitars and amps and different combinations. There is a reason that volume, tone and eq knobs go from 1-10. There are a lot of cool tones to be found at all positions, if not, the knobs would only go from 1-3. I do like the tone I get by cranking an amp and rolling back the guitar volume. It is very punchy and fat, but smoother and cuts out the raunchy distortion. I like the Jeff Beck quote and the eric clapton "woman tone" idea too, although I've never tried them. It reminds me of Brian May who did the opposite of Clapton. He would crank his AC30, but turn down all the tone and treble and bass on the amp, then hit it with a treble booster. I have tried that, and it's awesome.
    I recently learned the virtues of turning the tone all the way down on the guitar from Danny Gatton's "Strictly Rhythm Guitar" video. He turns the tone down on the bridge pickup of his tele and adds a bit of tremolo to get a Hammond B3 sound. Super cool, and opened my mind to new tonal possibilities.
     
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    I just realized that, of course, Clapton was famous for using a treble booster as well. I wonder what amp and guitar settings he used it with.
     
  13. shark_bite

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    I've been playing Strats for probably close to 20 years now. I guess I've always been kind of OCD about my tone knobs always being on 10. And that is probably the single biggest reason I put my JM Strat (which by the way is a hell of a Strat) in the closet for a few months and started trying out some other guitars. I came back to the Strat after a LP, a Casino and a couple Teles. It was kind of a palette cleanser - learned some neat things about tone from each of those guitars. But between resetting a bit and reading an interview with John Mayer where he specifically talked about rolling back his tone knobs a little, I figured I'd try it out. It's not like the guy has bad tone, right? So I did, and that's when I realized what the Strat was really capable of. I went into the studio shortly afterward and cut "Hope I Heard You Wrong" (it's on my myspace and my soundclick)... and I couldn't be happier with the tone.
     
  14. supergenius365

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    If it is too loud, you are too old.

    I love Strats. I tweak the tone knobs all the time.
     

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