Anyone like G12T-75's?

[Baba]

I've been noticing that my mids on my Knucklehead are a little finicky with my Avatar, which has V30's up top and G12H30's on the bottom, being a little familiar with the 75's sound, I went to the local GC to try a Marshall cab, and I think I liked it better than mine!

This may not come as a surprise, seems that alot of you don't like V30's, but I'm not sure if you guys like 75's either, I don't see them getting talked about 'round here.

I noticed ALOT of smooth low end, more relaxed mids than the 30's, which let me use my mid control on my amp more effectively, and no harsh high end at all.

I'd like to hear some of your opinions. I'm wondering if I should replace the speakers in the Avatar, and/or how much the actual cab had to do with the sound difference.

I play modern/classic rock, I set the Knucklehead pretty much to sound like a hot rodded Marshall.

 

[joolzriff]

i have several cabs w/ different celestions in them for different gigs/jobs.
if i need a HARD ROCK/METAL thing going on the GT75 cab is the first one on the list and sounds great with my marshall jubilee.(bottom cab)
right now i'm using a 2x12 with V30's and i'm so tired of those speakers,they have a hollow thing going on(no meaty midrange) but the GT75's are a bit too much for the blues/rock i do in one of the bands i'm in...maybe i'll risk it and put 2 GH30's in there and play the jubilee on the 50w setting.

 

[Riscchip]

It think they are decent sounding speakers at lower volume, or with some Boogies. I don't care for the sound with a loud Marshall, though. But I think they can be fine speakers in the right context.

 

[tonemandan]

Count my vote against the G12T75. It's one of my LEAST favorite speakers.

Dan

 

[gulliver]

I'm looking to try both and compare, but I don't have access to the Vintage 30s. The impression I get from the MP3s on Celestion's website is that the G12T75s have a nice treble peak and not the hair raising ultra high presence peak like some Celestions. You can change much of your tone with your amp, but every amp and speaker seems to have a high end emphesis that you can't turn off or change without losing your tone.

Did you feel they had less ultra high highs and are less obnoxious?

If so, it might be a great choice if that's what you're looking for.

 

[Scott Peterson]

Well, I'll bring it real. I hate the G12T-75's.

To me, they are thin and bright and have no bass or true highs. All about high mids and no bottem or real top.

I liked the V-30/GT12T-75's with the Guytron FWIW.

But even with that, I went with a combo well broken in V-30's for rock tones I liked with Guytron and Bogner and Rivera amps.

Nowadays, I am just DIGGING the Guytron Bigtone 55's in the 212 and Emencence Private Jacks in the 412 for rock tones.

 

[joolzriff]

ive owned tons of marshall amps and i never used to like the gt75s ..AT ALL!!
until i bought a marshall jubilee and they seem to be a perfect match,i couldnt beleive it realy....BUT!!GT75'S like the bottom cab! not the angled top one-----this is only my opinion,but the bottom can just sounds better to me w/ gts(for hard rock)

 

[big mike]

Don't dig them at all. I know FrankiePRS runs an x pattern of those and greens and loves it Baba.

 

[Baba]

It's just weird, I didn't expect to like them, but Scott, to my ears they were the exact opposite of what you just said, (it's about time we disagree on something!) more low end than I know what to do with, or at least as much as my current cab, if not more, and this was a slant (mine is a straight).

I can see where you're coming from with the true highs, it may be that my ears don't like that, my G12H30's have a little too much highs for me. I was totally expecting ice pick, and I didn't get it, especially with the high gain Knucklehead.

I think my current cab sounds pretty darn good, but I CAN pick out some small stuff that is a little annoying, and this Marshall had nothing annoying about it, it almost seemed "neutral" if that makes sense, which could be a double edged sword, it DID seem to lack a little personality. It just seemed smoother, with relaxed mids, where it seems my V30's have this high mid spike that is starting to get on my nerves.

Maybe it's time to start experimenting with speakers.

 

[JWR]

I own two Marshall cabs (stack) that originally came with the stock G12M75. I replaced them with Greenback reissues, the pre China ones. I must say that I like the Greenback better. Then I again replaced the Greenbacks in one bottom with the new G12H30. They go well with the higher power amps. I recently, I got a JCM800 bottom with the G12M70 in them. So, I've triend 4 different Celestions and the G12M75 were on the bottom of the pile. I won't say I did not like them, but there are several Celestions that I personally like better.

 

[big mike]

Maybe try some of the eminence offerings Baba. The Governors are like a V30 that corrected all the annoying issues for me.

 

[John Phillips]

Baba - how old was the Marshall cab?

I agree with Scott...

I really don't like newer 75s at all (lack of deep bass; flat characterless mids; buzzy top-end but no clarity), but older UK-made ones are much better, almost like a different speaker model. I didn't realise quite how much until I directly A/B'd two sets in the same cab. If the cab you looked at was a JCM800, it will have the older model speakers (and is a better-sounding cab too). If it's a new cab, well... we just hear things differently!

Also, remember that 75s are 3dB less sensitive than V30s and G12H30s, which may be a good or a bad thing depending on how hard you want to push the amp and how much headroom you need - it will be like turning your Knucklehead into a 50W amp compared with what you're used to.


FWIW, if you want my recommendation for speakers that have all the good attributes of V30s and H30s, but none of the drawbacks, and the most even, solid, powerful, clear and yet still warm and characterful tone out there, with very good sensitivity... you want Mesa/Celestion 90s .

 

[Xavier]

Funny enough...after what I have tried (G12T-75, V30 and CL80), I have to say that if only the G12T had some more bass and some more highs, that would be the ideal speaker for me.

To my ears, the V30's are NOT definitely for open back cabs, and the CL80's have too much lower midrange.

What is curious, most people consider the CL80 as a flat speaker, whereas the G12T is scooped. I must have a different reference point. To me the G12T IS the flat speaker, and the CL80 is midrangey.

Now I'll have to test the G12T-100 and the Man'o'war to see how they rate against the 75...

 

[Baba]

John P, it was a brand new cab, I actually thought of you when I was listening to it, wishing you were there!

Anyway, the 75's DID lack a bit of personality like I said, but I'm telling you guys, there was some SERIOUS low end going on there, and it was a slant I was trying.

I have the perfect platform for trying speakers, so it sounds like I should do that, they won't take long to install/uninstall, so it's definitely something I should look into.

A buddy of mine came out to the gig last Saturday and said my tone was smoking, maybe I should let sleeping dogs lie?

 

[LithiumZero]

Originally posted by Baba
It's just weird, I didn't expect to like them, but Scott, to my ears they were the exact opposite of what you just said, (it's about time we disagree on something!) more low end than I know what to do with, or at least as much as my current cab, if not more, and this was a slant (mine is a straight).

I can see where you're coming from with the true highs, it may be that my ears don't like that, my G12H30's have a little too much highs for me. I was totally expecting ice pick, and I didn't get it, especially with the high gain Knucklehead.

I think my current cab sounds pretty darn good, but I CAN pick out some small stuff that is a little annoying, and this Marshall had nothing annoying about it, it almost seemed "neutral" if that makes sense, which could be a double edged sword, it DID seem to lack a little personality. It just seemed smoother, with relaxed mids, where it seems my V30's have this high mid spike that is starting to get on my nerves.

Maybe it's time to start experimenting with speakers.

Swap me the 2 vintage 30's for 2 75's? Mine are 16 ohm and are in great shape.

 

[big mike]

Originally posted by Baba
maybe I should let sleeping dogs lie?

Troll.

 

[Igneous]

I think they are ok

better than jensen

 

[Baba]

Originally posted by LithiumZero
Swap me the 2 vintage 30's for 2 75's? Mine are 16 ohm and are in great shape.

Thanks, but if I do anything, I'll probably buy some and have them ALL around to compare.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

For hard rock or metal, they sound great. Remember these were the same speakers found in the backlines of almost every hard rock/metal band during the '80s. From Metallica to Megadeth to Maiden to Slayer to Ratt to the Crue. So if you're not going for a scooped mid, heavy gain tone... they might not be your best choice. Blues, Jazz, and Country are not their forte.