Anyone remove the Treble Bleed Mod from their PRS?

Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by 89strat, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. 89strat

    89strat Member

    Messages:
    1,098
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    I have a PRS CE-22. I believe it's a 2005, though not sure how to date it. Anyway, one volume, one tone with push-pull and three-way switch. I mainly play a strat and a les paul, and use my volume control a lot. I generally like how the gain and treble cut down a little when I turn my volume down a bit. My PRS, and from what I understand, most PRS' have a cap across the two lugs of the volume pot to retain the treble as you lower the volume, which I think has a perceived thinness to the sound. Has anyone removed the treble bleed thing?
     
  2. Blix

    Blix Supporting Member

    Messages:
    22,089
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Location:
    Stabekk, Norway
    Just de-solder one of the caps legs and see how you like it. Personally I remove treble bleeds, hate how they sound.
     
  3. ferrinbonn

    ferrinbonn Member

    Messages:
    866
    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2017
    Location:
    California
    sedawkgrep likes this.
  4. dazco

    dazco Member

    Messages:
    12,110
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2003
    I had a PRS SE and heck no ! I not only didn't remove it, i put a BIGGER value in it to get MORE brightness. That guitar was total mud when rolled down without it.
     
  5. 2HBStrat

    2HBStrat Member

    Messages:
    41,165
    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Location:
    East of the Rockies...
    The treble bleed on my CE22 is fine, but the one on my SE didn't sound good, so I put an Emerson on it and now it's much better. I frankly don't understand wanting the tone to change when turning down the volume...
     
  6. mleffler

    mleffler Member

    Messages:
    287
    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2007
    Consider disabling the treble bleed but change to '50s style wiring. I've found that to be a happy medium on my LP & SG.
     
  7. Chicago Slim

    Chicago Slim Member

    Messages:
    3,687
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2004
    Location:
    Bowling Green, KY
    It has worked well for the type of music that I play. I have add the circuitry to other guitars. Like Blix said, try lifting one side, to see if you like it.
     
  8. Tiny Montgomery

    Tiny Montgomery Supporting Member

    Messages:
    7,926
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2009
    Location:
    Louisville, Ky.
    It’s not a treble bleed “mod” if that’s how it left the factory.
     
    orourke, 70 Mach 1 and Betos like this.
  9. zwiefldraader

    zwiefldraader Member

    Messages:
    542
    Joined:
    May 9, 2018
    Location:
    Germany
    Ever thought of going to a 50s style wiring, like they had in the early Les Pauls.
    I perfer this over treble bleeds, although the side-effect of interaction between volume and tone pot shifts mids...
     
  10. Kelly

    Kelly Member

    Messages:
    2,974
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Location:
    NC
    Removed mine, and the awful dragon ii pickups.
     
  11. jvin248

    jvin248 Member

    Messages:
    2,623
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2016
    .

    Don't do 'the 50s mod' unless you always run with your tone knob dimed. Otherwise when you turn the tone down it drops your volume too. There is a reason it got left behind. But if you don't use tone then it's ok.

    As for the Treble Bleed, you may want a different version such as the Duncan or Kinman styles that pair a resistor with a different cap.

    For now, just use a diagonal cutter to snip one leg of the cap off as close to the solder lug as you can and bend the cap away so it doesn't touch, then if you find you like it worse without the cap you can heat the lug and push the trimmed leg into the lug solder and be running easy again.

    .
     
  12. Rod

    Rod Tone is Paramount Supporting Member

    Messages:
    18,305
    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2004
    Location:
    Area 51 & Seacoast ME
    ferrinbonn likes this.
  13. socalscott

    socalscott Member

    Messages:
    1,604
    Joined:
    May 27, 2007
    My SE Soapbar ll with a de-wound N pup(7k+), gets the Strat eq below 3. What I like, is rolling up into more and more mids.

    Now a bass-cut circuit is something of a revelation for me these days. Lots happening to alter pup and amp voicings. Not as much need for a perfect pup.
     
  14. 89strat

    89strat Member

    Messages:
    1,098
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    I have the 50's wiring on my les paul, and love it. I never considered doing it on my prs. I'm going to look into that.
     
  15. kselbee

    kselbee Supporting Member

    Messages:
    2,439
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2003
    Location:
    Northeast OH
    I was just thinking I’d like a treble bleed on my PRS like my USA Fender HSS Strat has. Didn’t know PRS had treble bleeds already as I think they get fairly dark when rolling the volume down (unlike my Strat). Can’t imagine how dark it’d get without that.
     
  16. 89strat

    89strat Member

    Messages:
    1,098
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    You might not have it your prs. I think mcartys don't have it, and some others. I had the treble bleed on my hss strat and preferred the strat without it. The older strats didn't have them either. With my strat volume from 7-8 I get a nice warm rhythm, or bluesy tone, then turn up for leads. I find that with the prs, the treble stays as I turn down the volume, but i lose some fullness and warmth. I do tend to use my volume for rythm and leads a lot when playing.

    I also learned that the wiring in mine is different than more modern prs. I e- mailed prs and they responded that paul felt the newer wiring sounded better. Diagram could be found on their website. I'm going to try that also.
     
  17. 89strat

    89strat Member

    Messages:
    1,098
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    I tried removing one of the legs of the treble bleed, it was a little dark. However, I noticed that the capacitor from the tone to the volume pot is .033. The diagrams on the web-site show a .022 which is typical of humbuckers (at least in my les paul). .033 caps seem to be more the norm in PRS, I'm assuming to tame down the treble bleed? So I'm thinking of the changing the cap to a .022 and removing the treble bleed. Does this make sense?
     
  18. ProfRhino

    ProfRhino Member

    Messages:
    4,194
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    no, but I have guitars with and without, it's part of their individual DNA, and part of the reasons why I pickup one or another.
    in general, I feel 4 knob guitars w. 50s wiring do better without (as the entire process of dialing in your tone is different), with all others I usually like a bleed, and I'm not too geeky about the exact type or values.
    ymmv,
    Rhino.
     
  19. ProfRhino

    ProfRhino Member

    Messages:
    4,194
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    do one mod at a time, or you won't end up much wiser. :dunno
    you could also temporarily wire up a "flying toggle" for testing.
    just saying,
    Rhino
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice