Are pedals really the way to go?

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by ptdesign, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. ptdesign

    ptdesign Handmade sonic art

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    Man I got bummed out tonight. I played a now discontinued Fender Cyber Deluxe for two hours tonight. ****! that amp sounds great. I loved the 3rd or 4th black face position, the 4th british spot. It sounds like it might have a hard time cutting through live according to some reviews but ****!! Made my pedals (Blues pro, OCD, etc...Into a HRDLX ) sound like plastic. It had a compressor that really gives a great squish, nice tape delay. Am I high? I think I'm in love. The third or 4th spot blackface with the gain at 5 was a perfect SRV tone with sustain and bite to spare. Somebody talk me down please.
     
  2. Mullet Kingdom

    Mullet Kingdom Senior Member

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    If you play in the bedroom it sounds like that's the perfect rig. And if I'm not mistaken, those Cyber Amps have SLR outs on them for going direct to the board.

    Not my cup of tea, but if you dig it, more power to you. :AOK
     
  3. jmadill

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    Been working with cameras lately? ;)

    You meant XLR, right?

    -jm
     
  4. ptdesign

    ptdesign Handmade sonic art

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    I play live twice a week typically but my HRDX never goes above 2 (and 2 is the first number. it's loud.)
     
  5. dividedsky

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    All depends on your tastes. For me, yes. Plus half the fun is "hunting".
     
  6. Stressfest

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    Don't upset him anymore than he already is :D

    Pedals only sound good if they're running into something great...get yourself a nice amp...something with lot's of valves, a thumping output stage, solid cabinet with some good speakers and it should be all good. :AOK
     
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    Maybe less valves then...:worried
     
  8. theelectic

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    Personally, I see modellers primarily in one light: convenience. Ask anyone with a good ear, given no cost, size, weight, setup, etc. limitations, which would you rather have, a room full of amps or a modeller? Heck even ONE good amp and ONE pedal (roots/blues: a Deluxe Reverb & TS-9, rock: SLP & Distortion+, etc.) or a modeller? I bet 9 times out of 10 the real thing wins out.

    Reality always rules though, and there are limitations with "real" gear. If the convenience factors of a modeller outweigh their tonal limitations, you'll have your answer real quick.

    It's like MP3 players these days. Everyone gets an iPod not because they sound the best, but because they're so small, convenient, and simple to use. If portable sound quality were all that mattered, everyone would be carrying around big honkin' portable DVD players with giant headphone amps.
     
  9. jmp

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    I had the opposite experience. Played through a Cyber Deluxe in the store for about 30 minutes and could not get one sound that I liked. It all sounded too edgy, thin and scratchy. I'll take my Clark Beaufort and a Fulldrive II any day.
     
  10. gitpicker

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    +1 to the bedroom volume comment by Mullet Kingdom (great moniker!)

    The other guitar player in one of the bands I play in has a Cyber Twin and he has done a lot of recording at home with it. To be honest, the recordings sound killer - some great guitar tones on them.

    But... he brought the amp to practice for the first week he was in the band and the louder it got, to more like poop it sounded. Now he leaves the CT in his home studio and the band lets him play through a 100 watt JPM we had laying around when we gig. BIG difference!!! BTW - the only pedal he uses is a Bad Monkey and he plays a Tele. Even though he is more of a keyboard player and strictly a rhythm guitar player, his tone rocks.

    In my other band the other guitar player has a really nice 60's Ampeg amp (I don't remember which model, but it has 60 watts through 2 12's in a combo), but he always ran a direct box off of this digital multi-effects floor pedal, and just used his Ampeg as a stage monitor. After almost a year I finally talked him into putting a mic on the amp and the difference is huge.

    Bottom line - digital effects and amps like the Spyder or Fender Cybers can be a lot of fun - but to me they are more like toys, not tools. Just my opinion - if they work for you, go for it! I'll be the first in line to compliment a guitar player's tone if I think it sounds great, regardless of how they are getting it.

    But I am old and stuck in my ways, and I think I will just stick with my '65 Super Reverb and my Lovepedals.... :dude :dude :dude :dude (check out the sychronized head bangin' - its cool!!)
     
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    I did not like any of the Cyber Twins presets,
    They sounded completely scratchy for me too.
    All the sounds were thin and lacked "body"
    But different strokes 4 diff folks
     
  12. Mullet Kingdom

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    Part of that is due to the linear taper pot that's used for the volume control in that particular amp. An audio taper pot has a much more gradual sweep that won't take your head off at 2.
     
  13. marcusprice

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    blah...modeling amps.
     
  14. cvansickle

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    It sounds like the classic tube vs. solid state conundrum. Tube amps don't sound all that great at low volumes, but turn them up and they shine. Solid states are great at low volumes, but they get brittle and bland when you turn them up.
     
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    I play in a local church on a rota of 4 guitarists. The 'house' (of God?) amp is a Fender HRD. I've only been playing there a couple of months and never used a HRD before. IMHO the cleans are very nice, the gain channel is blearrg and using overdrives with he vol on 2 is average at best. BTW the number 2 input has less volume so you can run the volume on 2 without everyone complaining.

    Last week I got a phone call to say that the HRD was 'broke' and did I want to borrow a (SS) amp or bring my own? So I took my 10w Cornell Rambler Plus on it's maiden voyage. Although we don't play loud I had the amp on 8 and ran a LP Classic and FD2 into it. Forget the cleans the od sounds were amazing.

    Did anyone actually notice the difference? Only the bassist. IMHO a lot of it is how the sound affects you and your playing. I still prefer a cranked amp to one on idle and I think that the HRD is way too overpowered for the church, but when It's fixed I'll probably use it again.
     
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    Yes, pedals are the way to go IMO.

    That said, I've flown to some gigs where they had the Hot Rod Deluxe (seems to be very popular at churches??). The weird thing about that amp is, it's like theres a point when the tone stack seems to actually come in and it's at an almost unusable volume for many smaller gigs. Before this volume level, it sounds pretty bad. Just FYI.
     
  17. DejavuDave

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    Get a good tube amp that sounds right at your performance volume, good solid cabs, good quality speakers that have the character you're looking for, one or two exceptional boost/od pedals, and you'll be inspired.

    Modeling amps? Cyber this and that? They are to the real deal what porn is to really making love.
     
  18. Brewmaster

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    Modeling amps in general don't cut it for live gigs with a full band. They often get lost in the mix. I know quite a few folks that have tried them live with no luck.
    They have their uses and some folks like them for recording and the bedroom but to me they just don't have any balls. I guess I don't care for the sound of 1's and zeros. 1000 1100 0110 0010 leaves me cold.

    Glowing glass kicks ass!!!
     
  19. ptdesign

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    Man, I love my HRDX and I modded the reverb. I guess it's time to do the audio taper vol pot mod as well. I don't use the gain channel at all so I'm going to add a master vol.to the clean channel so I can get it to cook more. I guess I had one of those momments.:NUTS
     
  20. Jarick

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    For the styles of music prevalent here, yes. If you hop over to harmony central, the metal kids pretty much hate pedals. And pretty much everyone who's even partially into gear hates modelers.

    If you can play a modeler, cut through a band, and don't miss the feel of tubes, go for it. Personally, I'd take my friend's solid state Fender before any modelling amp though.
     

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