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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by 5F6-A, Jul 19, 2019.
They certainly feel more immoderate to me and that’s the feel I want.
This the same logic that says ptp is better. The reason people say this is twofold, they have based their view on history, and they have no electronics experience so anything more complicated is confusing. Would you rather have a biplane or F35 if involved in air combat?
Having an amp that tries to do 10 things might be a compromise, but having an amp that only does one thing is also a compromise.
I’m not sure if simplicity necessarily translates to better tone but imo simple circuits are definitely more sensitive to what’s being played through them. They are a lot more dynamic to play.
Fender Champs from the mid to late 50s only had about a couple dozen caps and resistors (prob less)... does not get much simpler than that!
There is no magic formula for amp design. I stopped worrying about stuff like that after having my mind blown countless times by so called "inferior" gear and being disappointed in so called "superior" gear. To each his/her own but I dont even care any more if something is tube, solid state, digital or run by Keebler Elves. All I care is that it moves me in some positive way and if it doesn't it either gets returned or sold/traded.
It feels good. On any given day or gig my entire rig might have cost me North of 5k or South of 1k. Whatever I fancy that day. It's fun. I love trying out different tones, textures, and feel.
I voted "Other".
What you're looking for tonally makes all the difference in the world.
Simple amps can be wonderful for vintage tones. Channel switchers are great for modern music and cover bands.
I don't play Blues or Classic Rock and need headroom at volume so an amp like a tweed Deluxe, which is a wonderful amp, has no appeal for me.
It really depends on the individual player.
I only play amps with 4 components. Any more than that and my wine goes bad.
Very well said. Nailed it.
IMO: It's not the number of components, but the simplicity of the signal path that yields the truest tone.
If channel switching is something you need, then it is what it is.
Great players are more likely to sound good. The complexity of the amp circuit has little to do with tone quality. The DESIGN of the circuit is a factor, and there are great and poor examples of both simple and complex circuits.
It would be nice if it was that binary though.
Tough to generalize, but over the years I've found that simpler amps with fewer knobs work best.
Of course, this may be related to the fact that I'm a deeply lazy man who can't be bothered to mess with a zillion amp controls.
Old, simple, vintage, amps are it for me. They always sound good and do the job. Less is more in that respect.
I buy amps on how they sound and not the component count...
Fewer components obviously equals less things that can go wrong. But as with all things music really: the attention to detail is really what matters at the end of the day. We'd be fooling ourselves to think otherwise, I would say. Then it's easier to put your attention to fewer parts, but then simpler amps also tends to come at a lower price.
I love the tone and dynamics of my 2203's and 4104. I guess they are considered simple amps but I don't think they lack versatility at all.
Jim Marshall always said that the more simple the circuit, the purer the sound.
I found out that he was correct, and my setup tries desperately to reflect his words, as best I can.
All things being equal (they aren't) the more you add to an amp, the harder it becomes to retain the tone. It doesn't mean it can't sound great, it just requires more work.
I agree. I play blues and classic rock and don't typically use amps with a lot of headroom and prefer a tweed Deluxe, Budda Twinmaster, Princeton Reverb, Dr. Z Cure, tweed Champ...
Though I believe that a simple circuit makes a more expressive, touch sensitive amp, it's usually because it's a lower gain amp that's been cranked to the point that it's dirty and cleaned up from the guitar. Amps with more gain stages and filtering tend to not respond as well to that.
You can still make a lousy amp with a very small number of components, though.
I've only ever played one tube amp in my life that was completely irredeemably awful. It was handmade in the USA, PTP wiring (not turret or eyelet, true PTP wiring), Mercury Magnetics transformers, Weber speaker, and a custom handmade cabinet. Components don't make the amp.