Atomic Ampli-fire box

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  1. gtr37

    gtr37 Member

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    I don't know i find it pretty easy to get midrange punch on Helix, the path is pretty much tube screamer---Archon--212interstate cabs one 57 one 421 post eq hi/lo cut
    cabs are on seperate paths, the 57' mic is pulled back a bit more from the cab and reflections are about 18% ,there is a ton of punch at whisper volumes, ill try to post a quick riff in garage band this week
     
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  2. Bentayuk

    Bentayuk Supporting Member

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    Like I said, I don't find either lacking. Both units tones are worth their weight. There are other external factors that are affecting my decision too. The size of the Helix LT (I don't find it small at all), I don't need all the routing options, I don't use the foot pedal, I also don't really need 8 presets at my feet.

    On the other hand, the colour screen on the Helix is awesome, the incredibly simple editing is the best I've seen, the range of tones is definitely better than the AFB.

    But lets face it, all I'm talking about now is the fact that the Helix is a pedalboard, and the AFB is a stompbox. This is a big part of how they are marketed too. It all comes down to what the individuals needs are.
     
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  3. gtr37

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    I agree 100% an I really think that the AFB is a game changer , at its size ,portability and tone plus presets , delays etc .Its an amazing product and should get the award for 2017 modelling most bang for your buck IMO
     
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    I consider myself pretty lucky starting my "modeling journey" with this unit. I've never into these things and it's very fun.
     
  5. Bentayuk

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    That's really what I meant when I said it brought a smile to my face. Up until then I was thinking "man, I've had a great jam with this Helix, and I think I should really keep it around".
    Then I plugged into the AFB and was reminded how just how innovative it really is.
    Given is size, look and functionally, there's almost a predisposed idea that it's sound quality will be diminished in contrast to the Helix or Axe Fx.
    This could not be any farther from the truth, and I actually think having the Helix around is a hindrance to me getting the most out of the AFB.
     
  6. mikah912

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    Gotta go with what works for you. Amplifire is a great-sounding platform.
     
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  7. Brandon7s

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    This is the tough part. The mids are very clearly there in the Helix, as well as the highs and lows of course, but there's something about the difference in tonal nature between the two devices' mids that are the difference, not the quantity. The Helix has plenty of punch and body, but it also sounds like there's a good deal of harmonic content that is missing in those same ranges. If I had to pick a single phrase to describe the difference in tone between the Amplifierbox and the Helix, I'd say that the Helix retains less of the sound of the physical strings. Almost as if the acoustic properties of the instrument, however minor they might be, are filtered out far more in the Helix than in any other modelers I've tried, with the exception of Positive Grid's offerings. Amplifire, as well as S-Gear and Mercurial's Spark, do not exhibit this same flaw. It might seem like a strange description to give, but that the best way that I've found of putting it.
     
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  8. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Silver Supporting Member

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    Please let me know if you do, because I have an AA3 which I love, but I also have a real Archon and it is THE BOMB!!! Both channels!!!!!!
     
  9. supremelutimatefist

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    Apologies if this has been explained upthread but as a prospective purchaser I'm finding it hard to get my head round the structure of this unit. For a gig I need 3 sounds: 1) crunchy clean 2) drive 3) singing lead. Can I set up the box so I get all these sounds footswitchable live? Cos if so it sounds like it could be a great mini alternative to my Helix LT. Thanks for any help!
     
  10. Bentayuk

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    Yeah, I love the Archon model on the Helix, but I have no idea if it's like the real thing. Never played one.
     
  11. Watt McCo

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    In channel switching mode, you can footswitch between two different channels, A and B. Each channel can have its own amp, cab, delay, reverb, compression, EQ and drive block settings. Additionally, you can assign the right footswitch to toggle one or more block on/off. The right footswitch is global, so if you assign it to turn drive block on and reverb block off, that is all it will do in both channels (i.e., you can't have right footswitch turn on EQ and compression in channel A and turn on drive in channel B).

    So, to answer your question, assuming you can get either from crunchy clean to drive, or from drive to singing lead simply by turning on an overdrive rather than changing amp type or amp settings, then yes, you can footswitch amongst those three sounds. If you need three different amp (or EQ, or compressor, etc.) settings, then no.
     
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  12. DreamTheaterRules

    DreamTheaterRules Silver Supporting Member

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    If you ever get the chance, play one! I've seen at least 5 guys here and a couple other forums, who said they liked the Archon model on the Helix so much that they went and bought the real amp. Try one out if you ever get the chance. Great amp!!!
     
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  13. Bentayuk

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    Although I have no interest in going back to tube amps, I'll admit I did have a look at a few Archon reviews this morning.

    Two killers channels, footswitchable fx loop, small box style and only 33lbs. Very nice!
     
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    Do the level knob and the boost button work when the unit is in bypass mode?

    I was wondering if this could be used just for it's effects into the front of an amp?

    Also, does the cab sim work when the unit is bypassed?
     
  15. Watt McCo

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    In bypass MODE, the level knob and boost button work. When BYPASSED, they do not. When bypassed the entire unit is bypassed, just like most effects pedals you are familiar with.

    However, in each preset, you can have any block you want active or inactive, including the amp block, so you can have a preset that is just effects with no amp sim; you can have a preset that is just an IR block, etc., etc.
     
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  16. supremelutimatefist

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    That's very clear and helpful, thanks!
     
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    I ordered an AFB a few days ago from their reverb store and it showed up today! Now the countdown to Christmas really starts....haha.

    I'm replacing a Joyo acTone with this and can't wait to get started.
     
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    Just remain calm , You do not need this You do not need this!! Ok I need this!!
     
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  19. ToneGrail

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    Are there any online dealers carrying this or is the only way to get one is buying directly from Atomic?
     
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    I saw a few on reverb.com
     

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