Axe FX III

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  1. FPFL

    FPFL Member

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    its an oversimplification. The III is a different architecture than the II and can do things that many people haven't tried / thought of yet. Simple CPU comparisons are misleading, that's what I was laughing at. Its too early for people, other than Cliff and the lucky few, to really compare them and it will take more than 1 vector to know it.
     
  2. Lord N

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    I thought you were taking the screenshots literal, that's why i asked. ;)
     
  3. AminorZmajor

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    My bad if that was your meaning. I agree it way to early to tell anything in regard to the III at this point but I can verify when I got one in my rack..... Might not be till summer as the wait list looks crazy. LOL...
     
  4. yeky83

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    Hm... OK. Honestly, I was expecting more DSP headroom even with higher cab/effect modes in III.
    But I'll take your word for it until I get my III :p


    Just saw nicolas's edit:
    What was the point of you posting the exact same preset with both II & III, if not to compare the processing power?
     
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    nicolasrivera Gold Supporting Member

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    Tha point was to see what was my CPU usage in the XL, but i was not aware they where still in a beta stage of the firmware, so optimizations are undergoing and not finalized.
     
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  6. benifin

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    Fair enough too ........... and doubtlessly it will improve ..... BUT ..... Fractal have made a big point and BIG graph on the Axe 3 website that it has ~ 2.5 x the cpu cycles / cpu "number crunching" power of the XL+ .... so there is a not-so-subtle impression being marketed that this this will "run" ~ 2.5x what the XL+ currently does ..... yet super early snippets seem to suggest this is not the case ?!?!?

    Ben
     
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  7. yeky83

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    There's only ~1 week left before the ship date, so hopefully optimizations can be made in that time... Either way, excited for the III.
     
  8. iaresee

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    It’s not like things are fixed at ship date. Fractal products continue to evolve long after they are released.
     
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  9. Willowdale

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    Has the ship date been confirmed lately?

    We’ll see if it really makes the March 1st waiting list release date....
     
  10. Yek

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    Always the dilemma... People want sneak peeks. And as soon as those are given, people will start to complain and raise questions, even though the product hasn't been released yet. No reason for suspicions. BTW, more power doesn't mean that every bit of that extra power directly translates to available CPU in a preset.

    In this case a Looper block was present in the demo'd preset, which bumped the CPU to an erronuous high level, because the Looper is still in development.
    Chris (who made the video) reports that removing the Looper brings down CPU considerably.
     
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  11. Lord N

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    Unbelievable that people get hung up on the CPU power display.
     
  12. cliffc8488

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    The beta firmware still has lots of asserts and instrumentation for debug purposes. The looper, for example uses something like 12% CPU with the instrumentation and asserts enabled. With this stuff disabled (as would be the case in release firmware) the CPU usage drops to 4%.

    While I don't expect this kind of improvement on all effects suffice it to say that the beta firmware CPU usage is not representative of the release version.

    Furthermore we always put quality before quantity. The new reverb algorithms use more CPU than those from the Axe-Fx II would use but they sound better. Also the reverb defaults to high-quality mode whereas the II defaults to normal-quality mode. The drive block in the III uses a higher oversampling ratio and double-precision filters in some places compared to the II. The cabinet block can process up to four IRs simultaneously whereas the II defaults to one. Etc., etc., etc. Our clientele values quality first and none of the beta testers have yet to encounter a scenario where they have run out of CPU, and that's with the instrumented beta firmware.
     
  13. Hoth

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    Thanks a lot Cliff for all the hard work. Very cool to see these details. I'm running an Ax8 (Downgraded from an XL as the core amp modeling is most important to me) now and the amp modeling is still most important to me. Can you say anything about the modeling you see coming for the III? Is there another epiphone/quantum leap in the works?

    Edit: Just realized this is my 1,000th post! How cool is it that it is directed to Cliff? Fate.
     
  14. cliffc8488

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    It has improved. Dramatically? No. The beta testers are reporting that the difference is noticeable and positive. When I get some time I'm going to see how much of it I can back-port to the II but right now all resources are focused on our early March shipping goal. Unfortunately the II doesn't have much spare CPU left for the amp modeling so I don't know what is possible.
     
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  15. Hoth

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    That is pretty pretty cool. I am starting to jones for the III but maybe I can save money not getting the MFC (but of course I probably will). When the III was first announced I was like "What, me need that? I've got the Ax8 and Kemper which are totally great and already overkill. The III's got nothing I really need." But I put myself on the waiting list just in case. Then as we get closer to shipping date I'm like "Well maybe I can check it out and move it on if it's not that great." And now I'm like "WHEN IS THIS THING GOING TO SHIP? WHERE AM I ON THE WAITLIST? WHEN AM I GOING TO GET THE EMAIL? I NEED THIS!" :facepalm
     
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  16. Karl Houseknecht

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    Thanks for chiming in, Cliff. I know this is a rarity for you to post outside your forum, but it's appreciated.
     
  17. fretworn

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    Agreed. Truth over speculation.
     
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  18. ejecta

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    Yep! Hope he'll hang out here more.
     
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    You know the MFC won't work with the III, right?
     
  20. Hoth

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    Or whatever the new floorboard is called.
     

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