Bands With Harp & Harp Players: Help Needed To Get More Volume

If the volume is pretty inconsistent at the same settings and with the feedback could he have a bad/micro-phonic power tube in the line-up? Maybe in the preamp section even though you did swap some around?

 

Get the treble and gain down as much as you can without it sounded sterile.

That amp really might not be the best for him to be blowing through, as it's voiced much more "hi-fi" than your typical harp amp.

 

I played with a harp player for years and we had this problem.
He wanted to play through a little 20 pound amp...
We solved it by finding him a fender twin reverb.

 

Doesn't seem like the best choice for amps. For one thing, it's expecting a high impedance guitar signal, not a low impedance mic.

 

Aren't the Bullet mics high(er) impendance?

 

I still can't get used to harmonica=harp. When I think of harps being played through amps, I think of Zeena Parkins:

 

A graphic equalizer - like the Boss 7-band eq - can be a big help. I'm not familiar witty that amp, but there are several amps that are designed for harp today that are tuned for the job.

But remember, back in the day, Muddy's bands all played with lo-fi equipment and got great sounds... Also at relatively low volumes. And, technique plays a LARGE role in both volume and tone...

There are several harp boards that your guy should visit, including World of Harmonica on Facebook. There are a tone of guys ther who are far more qualified than I to give useful info.

 

A tweed Bassman RI with 12AY7' in V1 & V2. You'll be tellin him to turn down with this rig, but he won't!

 

I recently saw a guy playing through a blackface Champ, and he had more than enough volume to hang with the three-piece (guitar, bass, drums) band, and tone coming out the wazoo...

The more I read the original post, the more convinced i am that technique is the mitigating factor here... That, and band dynamics.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that the harp player downsize, but connect wi contemporary players like Dennis Gruenling and Mikey Junior, for some real-world advice from folks who really have mastered it.

 

Have played with two harp players. I agree with most of the other comments that he needs a cleaner amp with more headroom, most likely of the Fender variety. Definitely need to mic the amp. He could also try going through the Mic straight into the PA and adjusting the tone, but you don't get much grit.

 

Put a mic on his amp and run it through the PA.

Steve

 

I have played with harp players for years and the good ones can blow the doors off with volume.

Lots of guys use a Fender Bassman RI or similar, set clean, volume at 2-3, treble and presence down to reduce squeal. Not a tone setting you'd use for guitar. An overdriven amp will just lead to uncontrollable feedback. That archetypical harp sound comes almost entirely from the mic. A green bullet can sound very good - better still an Astatic.

Technique is hugely important. The mic needs to be cupped so that every last drop of sound goes into the mic, nothing wasted. Blast the snot out of the mic element, not the amp. The amp sounds like it's raging, but it's not, it's the mic hanging on for dear life.

I'd suggest if you can, get the harp player to go and see a couple of players that have got it together, write down their amp settings, get some tips on cupping the mic, get a big old Fender and go away and woodshed for a week or two.

 

Yup. Most of the great sounding harp players I've heard that have pretty good stage volume- Hummel, Wilson. Estrin, etc. use higher powered amps with lots of speakers- 4- 10" and 6 - 10" combos. At least a tweed Bassman, but they're not turned up as loud as a guitar player would use.
Turn the bass up quite a bit and I'd start with treble, presence, and even mids all the way off and bring each up to taste just a tiny bit. Most modern amps- even if they are advertised as having a "vintage" sound, have way too much gain. Trying 12AT7, 12AY7, and 5751s in the first and possibly subsequent stages will help.
You can use a modern mic like a 57 or 58 too. If you don't use a matching transformer, the impedance mismatch will allow you to open up the volume on the amp a lot more. If the amp has bright caps over the volume, getting that pot in the upper end of rotation will lessen the bright cap's effect.

 

Amen!

 

I have found that Blues harp players always cut through the mix better when they don't wear their hats....be it a fedora or a beret.

 

That's why Kim Wilson doesn't wear a hat anymore! ... or turban....

 

A mic with 1/4" plug is high impedance, not low. Also, feedback is a matter of signal going from the speaker(s) to the pickup or mic, then being fed back into the amplifier, gain being added, coming out and being picked up again, but only at the susceptible frequencies.

Blues harp players have used guitar amps for decades because they DO work better than vocal amps. They break up and sound better than going into a PA, which sounds too sterile.