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BBE Supacharger vs Voodoo Labs PP2 & board power question

1970nick

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Am looking for a power source for my new board.

I'm looking at putting the following together in it:

5 x assorted Boss pedals (9v)
1 x EHX Deluxe Memory Man (24v)
1 x EHX Small Clone (9v)

Will be adding a Moen GEC9 (9v 500ma) and a TC Hall of Fame (9v).

I was going to pull the plug on a BBE supercharger based, but realise it may not suit my needs.

First off. It seems there aren't 12v outputs on the Supacharger, where where the Voodoo Labs has two. Am I wrong in this assumption? The BBE web site product specs says it only has 9v outputs.

Secondly, the Moen needs 9v at 500mA.. The PP2 pumps out 9v at 250mA max.. Is that enough to power it? I've read it should from players who use the same combo.

Any advice for daisy chaining the Boss pedals? I presume the Boss daisy chain that came with the LS2 will do the job. It'll power 4 other pedals, and the power source will power the pedal that will feed them.

Cheers,

Nick
 

RasmusJes

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I don't know the Supacharger but I have the PP2+ and like it a lot.

The PP2+ has 4 outputs with the possibility for 12V (outputs 1-4).

To power the EHX DMM you would have to use the voltage doubler cable which will take up 2 outputs set to 12V.

I don't know the moen but if it really needs 500 mA you would need a current doubler, which will take up the 2 L6 outputs (output 5 and 6).

To my knowledge the HOF needs 90 mA so it will need its own output.

That leaves only 3 outputs left for your small clone and your 5 Boss pedals. If some of those Boss pedals are digital they might need high current but analog pedals usually has very low power consumption (often less than 10 mA), so you could use your daisy chain for those.

Using a daisy chain you will lose the benefit of the isolated outputs so igf you have dirt pedals see if you can give them each their own output and then daisy chain the other pedals.

-Rasmus
 

1970nick

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Cheers mate..

The Boss pedals are an SD-1, OS-2, so that's two outputs, and then there's the LS-2, GE-7 and TU-2.

I could lose the LS-2, but I use that to boost the input volume from my Telecaster when switching from my Sheraton (which is louder) to keep the overall guitar-in volume the same to the effects chain and the amp. Maybe that's wrong, but it's worked for me in the past and I don't know what else to use.

Can you advise me on what I can daisy chain the remaining Boss pedals and the Small Clone with? Is that even possible?

I sound like a muppet, as I've been running the pedals off a 4 way plug for years. Now I've started gigging more do I realise what crap it is!
 

nateh107

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Voodoo PP2 will cover your needs , it has an extra outlet you can use to power the memory man . Also 18V/24V – Using Custom Cables
All of the outputs on the Pedal Power 2 Plus (and the original Pedal Power) are completely isolated allowing you to create different voltages. You can run effects like the current MXR Flanger by combining two 9V outputs to create a single 18V supply. By switching two outputs into 12V ACA mode, you can join them together to create a 24V output for powering numerous Electro-Harmonix stompboxes including the Deluxe Memory Man.
 

RasmusJes

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I would use the last output to your LS-2 (25 mA) and then use its daisy chain to power GE-7 (7 mA), TU-2 (55 mA) and the small clone (10 mA?) like you mentioned yourself.
If 10 mA is correct for the small clone this will add up to 97 mA out of the 100 mA you have so that's perfect. If your small clone uses mini jack you might need to find some kind of converter for it.

source for small clone current draw: (http://www.ehx.com/forums/viewthread/2867/P45)
 

1970nick

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Cool.. Thank you.

Just Google'd a Boss to mini jack converter and they are available.

Thanks for your help guys. Much appreciated.
 

dshobe

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Just to clarify about the BBE, all of the taps have a dip switch to run at 9/12V.

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digiTED

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Some thoughts on why to go PP2+:

It's better built (in the USA too if that matters to you)
Voodoo has killer tech support
Voodoo actually designed their product (and unwillingly the BBE too). The BBE is a PP2+ knock-off. Caused quite a stink a few years ago but Voodoo elected not to spend the money in court. There's a massive thread about it on TGP.
 

rolsen

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My BBE has been bulletproof for a few years now. Confirming the dip switches - I don't recall exactly the voltage range, but 9, 12 and 18 are accommodated for, but check the specs to find which outlets provide which ranges.
 

Holzar1988

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I've had a BBE Supacharger for a couple years as well. No problems. From memory, there are six 9/12 outlets and two 9/18 outlets, with dip switches for all. I think the 18 volt outlets have slightly higher mA output as well, though I'd have to dig the manual out to confirm that.
 

Holzar1988

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I should say that the specs on mine are different form the specs on the website:

Specifications
Input: 120v-240v 50/60HzOutputs:
Six 9VDC 100mA regulated: (1-4 & 7-8) Two 9VDC 200mA regulated: (5-6)Fuse Protected: YesDimensions: 6" (W) x 3.5" (D) x 1.6" (H)Shipping Weight: 2lbs.
Designed and Engineered in USA
Made in China

Note: Due to continuing product improvement, specifications and design are subject to change without notice.

That last line, however, makes me wonder if mine is more recent than those specs or whether they've changed the specs since I got mine. Could be either way.
 

1970nick

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I'm wondering if the Supacharger will be able to power the Moen?

If I use a doubler from the 200mA ports, that will only feed it 400mA, which is 100 short.

Just found out today that I can't buy a US PP2, as the voltage where I live is 240 and the US PP2's accept 110v. UK priced PP2's are the same figure, but in Pounds.. About another $100 more expensive..

Doh!
 

1970nick

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Research is great isn't it? There's now a new kid on the block for me.. The Eventide Powerfactor 2.. Looks the business, and seems, at first glance to offer more power than the Voodoo Labs pedal, and it's cheaper.
 

jnepo1

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Research is great isn't it? There's now a new kid on the block for me.. The Eventide Powerfactor 2.. Looks the business, and seems, at first glance to offer more power than the Voodoo Labs pedal, and it's cheaper.
The Powerfactor2 is a great PSU, I 'm currently building a board with it. Based on your needs, you can get away with using other PSU in the market. There is the Voodoo Lab 4x4 as well as the Cioks DC10. The Moen, If I recall requires less to power than the 500mA that is stated. The DC10 has 2-400mA taps and one of the taps can certainly take care of the Moen. As for the EHX, the DC10 has 2-200mA taps that are rated at 200mA each. The Cioks also supplies a voltage doubler power cable that has the proper positive center 2.5mm barrel connector to power the EHX. I would suggest looking into the Cioks DC10 at $200 as opposed to the Powerfactor2 at $229.
 

JMPGuitars

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Neither of the supplies you listed are sufficient. You need something that can handle high current. 200mA or 250mA is NOT enough to power a 500mA pedal. I have the BBE, and even with current doubling cables, it can't produce enough for a 400mA pedal.

The Decibel 11 Hot Stone HC (High Current) MIGHT be able to do it with it's isolated 400mA outputs, but that's assuming that the pedal doesn't require the full 500mA. The Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 4x4 or MONDO may work, also assuming the pedal will work on 400mA.

Your best bet is probably the YANKEE POWER PS-M2. Look it up. It should have all the voltage and current requirements you listed. The PS-M12 would probably also work, but for the small difference in price, you get a lot more options with the PS-M2.
 






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