Benson Preamp Hype/Reality Thread

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  1. JokeSmuggler

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    They sound pretty close. I don't think they are exactly the same, and you can dial the EQ to make it more different. So you can use it as a second channel, or a clean boost, or a dirty boost, or a mid-boost without too much effort and without it drastically changing the sound. I really like that about it! I don't think it's too much of the same thing because of how I'm using it (slightly dirty slightly mid-boosted).

    I set my Monarch on edge-of-breakup so it still has some clean room if I need it. It's very dynamic.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    I was going to ask about using the Benson this way. Thanks!
     
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    Is the Benson a real preamp or just an OD ?
     
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    I think it's been said that the Benson is modeled after the preamp section of the Chimera but voiced to run into an amp. I'm not sure if that answer the question exactly, but it seems to me to be a bit of a mutant. I've had great success using it as a preamp. Others love it as a flavor of OD.
     
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    The Preamp pairs wonderfully with the Monarch. Technically, the Preamp is based on the Chimera, which is 30w (the Monarch is 15w). But that's splitting hairs.

    I run my Monarch with just a slight amount of hair. This is volume setting 6 with my Telecaster, which has low output single coils. So mostly clean. Then I click on the Preamp when I want more of an edge-of-breakup or low gain tone. So the Gain knob on the Preamp is around 10 o'clock, and the volume knob is set for unity (around Noon).

    To my ears, the Preamp is just more of the Monarch. So to some people, that would seem to be "too much of the same thing". But what's the point of spending $2500 on the Monarch and then using more colored overdrive pedals to make your overdriven tone sound different, at least for lower gain stuff? I play some venues where I can't run the volume knob past 2 or 3, which is super clean. So the Preamp comes in super handy then.

    Word of caution: I didn't like the Preamp at first. It took me about a month to really dial in a sound I liked. I run both EQ knobs at 9 or 10 o'clock, so I am dialing out some frequencies to get a more mid-rangey tone.
     
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    Thanks. By 'too much of the same thing' my concern was stacking the same tone stack which might overly accentuate certain frequencies that are tamed when not stacking, versus using a transparent OD that would allow the EQ curve of the amp to shine through unaffected. I wasn't really sure what doubling up the preamp would do to the EQ. Certainly using a Benson amp with a Benson OD would be fitting if it maintained the Benson tone.
     
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    Oh it for sure maintains the Benson tone. It's really the only preamp / clean boost / low gain drive that actually sounds like my Benson Monarch, with more umph. Which is funny considering that I have tried many other "transparent" pedals with the Monarch that really aren't transparent at all. They all take away from the core Monarch tone. The Preamp doesn't do that. It's Benson + more.
     
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    Thanks, this is good to know!
     
  11. nicolasmasset

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    Do you still have your benson? What cornish pedals did you compare it to? I've got a CC1. Care to share more detailed observations?
     
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    I still have my Benson. I compared it to the CC1, SS3, and G2. I cleared those cornish pedals only because I needed funds. Those Cornish pedals are all really different and stack up against the benson differently. The CC1 is a beautiful light gain boost/ eq adjust and I regret selling and will order another shortly. I did not do a lot of A-B ing between those two. The benson definitely can get more gain and can take over your sound more. YOu can dial the CC1 to be almost undetectable or make up frequencies or add a nice gain boost to the sound. Plus the CC1 has a mids control that makes a world of difference with the tonal options. I would think they would play well together.

    I thought the Benson was a lot smoother than the SS3. The SS3 has a fuzzy texture that I don't like so I greatly preferred the Benson over it. The benson does get a bit fuzzy if you dime the gain but overall its a very full sound across the gain range.

    The G2 cuts some bass, ups the mids, and has a marshally sweet spot when you get it with the right amp that is a great sound. I love it. However, in my experience I dial in that sound and that's all I get from that pedal. With the Benson I can get a lot more usable and great sounding options, plus move the bass to exactly where I want it.

    I think the Benson is more flexible than any one Cornish. The CC1 and G2 though are awesome in their own right.
     
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    Thank! Does it have that Cornish polish though? That quality stamp all over it. You know what I mean?
    Oftentimes I don't find my CC1 to be the fastest of pedals, it compresses quite a lot. But man, what a compression right? Just this incredibly juicy thick sweet syrup. I want a drive pedal that has that cornish polish but is faster on the attack. Into my lazy J 5e3 that is...
     
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    I would have to do a direct A-B now instead of trying to go off of memory. Speaking from memory I would say there is nothing quite like that Cornish refinement to the sound. But the Benson is a solid pedal and has a great range of all four knobs while retaining its sound. It does that better than most pedals I've tried.
     
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    Have you tried running your GPDI direct? It has great built in analog cab sim with reactive load, I use it direct and and actually very much prefer it this way to amps in my HX Stomp.
     
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    I've tried the GPDI direct, but I also own a Neunaber Iconoclast. To me the Iconoclast does a MUCH better job of emulating a speaker cab and it gives me the option of a stereo rig if I'm so inclined. So if I'm running direct, I'm using the Iconoclast at the end of my chain.
     
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    I finally picked one of these up today. Really good pedal. Impressed with the touch sensitivity, tone and stack-ability. Definitely has a tweed vibe but also does a bit of it's own thing. I bet a treble booster would sound amazing into it. Looking forward to trying that but in the meantime, really liked it with a DOD 250, Timmy and even a Les Lius in front.
    I've tried a lot of tweed style pedals and this one is a keeper IMO. I have a gig next weekend and I'll likely use it. I have no doubt it will do well.
     
  18. RYAN1987M

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    Has anyone tried a Benson Preamp through a 5F1 circuit?
     
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    Tried it through a 5E3 FWIW - sounded really good.

    Was getting a little frustrated with this pedal until I watched a few more videos and got more drastic with the EQ. It really is hard to find a bad setting and yet at their extreme settings they do have a big impact on the tone. The bass knob really does a good plexi when cranked - giving more low mids. I'm hearing more upper mids from the treble control when cranked up. Pedal works really well with a Danelectro Breakdown. Awesome pairing - those two were made for each other IMO.
     
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    Has anyone tried it through a tweed Bandmaster or other tweed amps? Interested in an OD rather than always-on pedal.
     
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